S4, E6: Stephen King's It (1990)

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Ghoulster 0:01

Welcome Spooky Ghoulsters to the Halloween Podcast that keeps the spirit of Halloween alive, all year, through pop culture and nostalgia!

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:16

Hey guys, welcome back to The Ghoul Mates. I'm your ghost hostess, Mandy,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:21

and I'm your master ceremonies, Rudy,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:23

and today we are talking about the original it from 1990. But first

Ghoulster 0:31

Tombstone trivia

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:35

morticia and Gomez Adams have three children, Wednesday. pugs. Lee and I thought this was like from I know, I know the key. They had a comic strip that came out in the New York Times. I think that it was then but it's not.

Unknown Speaker 0:58

I don't know.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:00

The answer is pubert. Adams. I don't even remember that. Apparently, it's from the movie. I don't remember they had a kid though. I remember there was like a little kid, but I don't remember him being called puberty. I remember he had a little mustache though. He looked like Gomez.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:20

Okay. Are you like vaguely remember that too? Oh my gosh. Wow. Okay. puberty. phobias are an extreme or irrational fear of a specified thing or group. Coal roof phobia is the fear of what

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:37

was the name of it again?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:40

coal rough phobia.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:42

Is it the fear of dirty coal in your hand?

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Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:47

I'll give you a hint. Okay. It's related to something we're talking about today.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:54

The fear of clowns?

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Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:56

What they call a cold or a phobia. What does that even mean? What does cold mean?

Unknown Speaker 2:03

I don't know.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 2:06

I just I'm just reading the questions.

Unknown Speaker 2:07

I'm just reading the script here.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 2:11

All right, let's get into some haunted housekeeping. Be sure to look out for a special interview I did with a spooky ghoul on our YouTube channel on Monday as we celebrate one of my favorite days International Women's Day. I'm going to personally ask you guys to please watch the video because it's been brought to my attention recently that the subject we're covering has actually been getting a little bit of flack in the community. And I'm very passionate about it. So I'll be sharing some more details on that on Monday, so stay tuned, and please support your spooky ghouls. On another note, we got a lot of commentary feedback on our Sleepy Hollow episode, which was really cool, because it means you guys are listening. So I have some follow up notes for you, Rudy, are you ready? Yes. Okay, so Christina Ricci is a spooky girl. In fact, I don't know how I forgot this because I actually watched the movie, but she was in the Lifetime movie of Lizzie Borden. Okay, yes. Lizzie Borden, so everyone jumped in and was like, she's definitely a spooky girl. And here's a note for the familiar. Her hair was actually blonde because Katrina Van Tassel is described to have hair as gold as her daddy's crops and fortunes in the original story. And the dresses were from the colonial era, and not the Victorian era. Which is amazing to me that Chelsea was able to figure that out. So shout out to Chelsea. And then I also found out that there is a Disney movie called The Adventures of Acrobat and Mr. Toad, and I want to watch it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 3:58

That's an older movie, right?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 3:59

Yes, I think you've seen it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 4:02

Yeah. I mean, I saw when I was a kid.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 4:05

Okay, well, we're seeing it again soon this year. And then lastly, we got so much positive feedback about opening up about our relation, our relationship. Sorry, I used to feel like nobody would want to hear about some random couples relationship. But I guess we've developed a small little audience in our little corner of the world. So we definitely plan to make this more couples centric, especially on our YouTube. So thank you so so much to everyone who reached out and was so excited to talk to us about the episode. I've said it before. And I'll say it again, we appreciate feedback. Because again, it means you're listening, which is wild to us that you guys want to hear what these crazy goons want to talk about for an hour, sometimes more. And we always want to have the opportunity to grow so definitely always reach out to us if you feel like there's something we should know about what we discussed in the episode. All right, boo. So how are you keeping this book alive?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 5:03

Um, we been watching a lot of unsolved mysteries, and I'm not talking about the one on Netflix. We've been watching the old ones, the ones that I grew up on. And I haven't seen them in a while. So it was kind of exciting to go back and remember, like all the episodes and stuff, but I started like watching them with you. And that's been pretty cool. You know, we've been working on the apartment to getting it ready, so we can shoot some more YouTube videos. But yeah, it's mostly Unsolved Mysteries for us.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 5:36

Yeah, I remember. I think you mentioned it last week, but I hadn't started watching it with you yet. Yeah, so I finally got into it. And I'm not gonna lie. Someone kind of freaked me.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 5:49

Yeah, I like the alien episodes, but we haven't hit one yet. Those are gonna be pretty fun. Yeah, I'm

Ghost Hostess Mandy 5:56

interested to see them because I don't know that I'm really into aliens. So I'm curious to see cuz I didn't think I was gonna be into this show. And I think like two episodes, and I was like, Okay, this is kind of creepy. It's pretty creepy. So yeah, but we also started Finally we finally started the monsters. We got the box set, like late last year. And we finally finished Big Bang. Wait, did I mention that? I think I did mention that we finally finished I think. Now we have time again and we started The Munsters. And it's been amazing. You guys know I'm in love with Lily already. Yeah, we got to

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:39

sit through the pilot episode, which was shot in color and Lily was a different character. And even Eddie, I think Eddie was a different character is really hard to like, watch for that much better. And I know that you wanted to finish and I was like, I don't want to watch this garbage. I want to see the real monsters. So yeah, that was it was pretty funny watching that.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:59

Though. Original Lily looked a lot more like more morticia Yeah. black dress long black hair, like down the, I guess, party to the front versus like, I think lilies is more to the back sometimes. Right. So yeah, that's been exciting, and I cannot wait to do a monsters episode eventually. So yeah, here here. Alright, I guess it's time to dig into it. So it was originally released as a miniseries on ABC. The first part was released on November 18 1990, and the second part was released on November 20 1990. It has a 63% audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes. And the summary according to Blake is in 1967 preteen outcasts fight an evil demon who poses as a child killing clown. 30 years later, they reunite to stop the demon once and for all when it returned to their hometown. So this movie, of course, was written by Stephen King and Lawrence D. Cohen, who also worked on carry. It was directed by Tommy Lee Wallace, who directed hollowing three. And I have a fun fact about that. But let's get through the cast. It was quite the cast. So Pennywise was played by Tim Curry. Good old Dr. Franken

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 8:23


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Ghost Hostess Mandy 8:27

Let's see. We saw Seth Green. You know, one thing

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 8:30

about the whole Seth Green thing being in the movie. Like, and every movie I've seen him in he looks like super young, but he looks super old in this movie for some reason. It's like you don't look like like a kid. I don't know. It's really weird because he was just very older.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 8:48

Yeah, more wise. Like I also I kind of feel like he had a nose job.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 8:54

Yeah, maybe?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 8:55

I don't know. He just looked different to me. But I agree. I get what you're saying. Maybe like the glasses made him look different.

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Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:04

And then we saw john Ritter who played Ben.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:08

come and knock on my door. What is Three's Company?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:15

But I did watch eight simple rules.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:16

Spoiler alert. I'm old.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:19

Oh, Kaley Cuoco is in eight simple rules to choose. earlier. Casey, I always get it wrong is Kylie are nailing

Unknown Speaker 9:27

one of

Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:29

the two. Um, and then we had I was so proud of myself, because it was driving me crazy. And it took me two hours into the movie to figure out where I knew Bev from who is a net Oh, tool. And she's from Smallville. She's Superman's mom.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:46

Yeah. She was also in Trading Places she's engaged to Dan Aykroyd character. And she's like this snobby rich girl.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:57

Oh, I guess I could see that again. I'm old. And then the last person we recognized was Jonathan Brandis who played bill. And we were really sad actually to find out that he actually committed suicide in 2003, I believe. Yeah. But he was also in ladybugs, which we love that movie. So if you haven't seen it, you should watch it. And we'll probably cover it one of these days. Definitely a.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:28

What's it called a guilty pleasure for me for sure. Yeah, he

Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:32

showed it to me. When we first started dating. I want to watch it again. Now,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:36

what was the name of the girl that was with Rodney Dangerfield? His assistant was her name. I forgot the actor's name. But I liked her a lot. She was very sassy.

Unknown Speaker 10:45

I don't remember.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:49

But yeah. Alright, so a little fun. A few fun facts that are familiar found on IMDB. I think you're gonna like one of these in particular routine. So the first one was, there was somebody else who was considered for the role of penny wise. And he actually lives in Arizona. Let's see if you can guess who it was. Oh, okay.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:13

So this person was considered for penny wise. And lives in Arizona? Um, wow. I don't know. That's a good question. Um, who lives in Arizona that was considerably further like for this specific role in the movie? Yes. I don't know who you were very close

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:33

to working with him.

Unknown Speaker 11:36

He actually, I'm

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:40

not gonna get it. It's like so odd. Like, once you hear it? It's like, Oh, that makes sense. At least it does to me. Is it?

Unknown Speaker 11:50

I don't know. Who is it? Alice Cooper.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:52

Oh, yeah. that have been good. Yeah, that would have been cool. Yeah, Alice Cooper would have been pretty good. He's pretty crazy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:59

Okay. And then, you know, actually, you

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 12:01

know what, you know who I thought, um, you probably don't know who this is. But I thought that, um, Pennywise when I was a kid, I thought it was David Johansen, and he was this. I think he was in a band called, what is it called? New York Dolls. But he was also in the movie scrooged with Bill Murray. And he was like the taxi cab driver. I always thought that that guy played penny wise in this movie, but when I'll show you scrooged and when you watch it, you'd be like, Oh, yeah, I thought you can see where it could be him. But yeah, there's like a bunch of people in the movie where I thought they were in other movies, but they weren't. They were just totally different people.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 12:42

I could see that. Honestly. I because of

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 12:45

the character because I didn't know it was Tim Curry either. And a lot of people didn't know that either. I remember I still

Ghost Hostess Mandy 12:50

don't see it. And I know that it's.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 12:54

And I've seen a lot of things where he talks about how not a lot of people knew that it was him and he never like brings it up. And like I think only recently he started talking about like, his role as penny wise. But Tim Curry has done a lot of stuff. Because I looked into it after we decided to do it. And I was like, holy shit. He's done a lot of stuff.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:17

Yeah, he's even played Gomez.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:19

Oh, yeah, that's right. That the I remember that. That's pretty crazy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:23

To be honest. I think that's the extent of my Tim Curry knowledge.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:27

he's a he's a legend. He's also I think he was in home alone to the sequel. He's like the antagonist to Macaulay Culkin his character because he's like the main manager, the hotel and he's like always trying to catch him. Yes, but he's just like a chameleon. He like does all these different things. And he's been like, doing a bunch of different stuff. It's, it's pretty cool.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:52

I guess you could say that that makes him a good actor, because you're not like aware of, obviously you don't like recall that Tim Curry's like he blends into his roles. Because there's some actors were like, no matter what you do, I can't stop thinking like that's that person. That happens to me with Ryan Reynolds. Like, not watch Pokemon. Because the whole time I was like, that's Ryan Reynolds. That's Ryan rounds talking. That's Ryan Reynolds movie

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 14:19

with Christian Bale, because every time I see him in anything, I'm like, it's the American Psycho guy. That's so funny that's running around naked with the chainsaw. That's all I could think about. Especially when he was cast as Bruce Wayne and the Dark Knight. I was like, no, that's not Bruce Wayne. This is American Psycho guy. He's gonna like kill a bunch of people at some point.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 14:42

Yeah. Okay. And then we have this one made me sad Honestly, this fun fact. Okay, sad fact. So Gerard blank card. I think I'm saying that right, who played young Henry Bowers hated having to call Marlin Taylor, who played Mike Hanlon. The the N word, often apologize to him before and after filming for his characters use of the slur.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 15:06

Yeah, I always I've always wondered that, like, I remember who was it Michael Fassbender was like a slave owner and 12 years of slave. Mm hmm. And it's like, like, how do you like, it must be like mentally exhausting to be doing something terrible to another person of color, or having a play a character like that. Mm hmm. Or like even like, being like really mean to someone that you know, has mental issues or has a different sexual preference. Like, it must be very hard to like, be the antagonist to people like that. It's just, I couldn't do it. It'd be really hard for me to do it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 15:48

Yeah. Because I mean, I'm barely learning this recently of how much it takes like for the actors to get into character and stuff, right. So to put themselves in that frame of mind is crazy. Yeah. On a lighter note, I have something for you that I don't know if you know this, but I think you'll like it. Okay. So when ABC and larimar I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right. When they first announced the miniseries it had it was going to be a 10 hour miniseries directly. I do you know by who?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:24

Steven Spielberg, George A Romero. Oh, yeah, that would have been cool.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:28

So Romero did extensive pre production work and closely collaborated with Lawrence D. Cohen to develop the script, but he had to bow out due to a scheduling conflict with Don of the dead the remake of Night of the Living Dead.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:42

Oh, the one with Tom savini. Yeah, I love that one. I'm glad he did that instead.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:48

Yeah. And then, sorry. I was processing at the same time. And then that actually mirrored Romero's experience on another Stephen King property Pet Cemetery, which he also was slated to direct.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:03

Yeah, pet cemeteries is pretty creepy. Actually. I don't know which character it is. But the grandpa and pet cemetery. He's actually Herman Munster.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:17

Oh, you told me that? Yeah. Yeah. Cuz we started the monsters. And I was like, Where is he from? But I don't think that I know him from Pet Cemetery, either, because I saw that super young. Yeah, I

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:29

saw when I was a kid, too. I think last time I saw was maybe in college, maybe 2000 or something like that? I don't know. But yeah, he's also in Pet Cemetery. worlds collide.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:41

So many spooky worlds collide. It's crazy. Like, I never connected all of that till we started working on all this stuff. Oh, yeah. All right. So to be honest, we, as in me, and the got though, didn't come up with any production questions. So is there anything you want to share that you observed from the production side of things in the movie,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 18:03

you know, made for TV movies, they don't have giant productions. But I did see a couple of things here and there that were pretty interesting. One of the last scenes they like battle the alien at the end, which is Pennywise he's, I mean, if you know that book, you find out it's an alien. But in the in the story when you're watching the show, you don't know that it's an alien. But they end up like beating this big cockroach to death. And the scene before that, it's like moving around and that was all stop motion animation. When when it was like moving around and stuff and then they also had like a big giant animatronic monster that like the that interacted with the with the actors. I thought that was pretty cool. They had like these really big set pieces when they went into the tunnel and they had like, the layer for the little door. Yes, for penny wise. Like how did that thing? Like that little door and made like no sense because the cockroach monster thing that he is is like gigantic. And then penny wise is the size of a man, but has a little door to get into his layer. Okay, like a hobbit door.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 19:15

Actually, now that you're saying that? My question is we're gonna like skip away then the movie now. So when they It was like a spider thing, right? Yeah, I was like, you know, spider that like last scene that you said really grossed you out? Oh, yeah. They pulled out the gut thing. Thing is the heart. Well, like the way I interpreted that was that that thing that they didn't like show but you saw the silhouette? Yeah, I thought that was like the actual alien. That was also still hiding inside of the pristine. So now that you said that. I'm like, well, maybe it's that little thing.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 19:50

That was super smart. That's pretty that's pretty good. I didn't think of that. That's pretty smart.

Unknown Speaker 19:56

It's still really gross. It

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 19:58

was pretty gross. I was like, really Happy that we just finished eating because I wouldn't have been able to like, finish my food. It was super gross.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 20:05

Yeah, so that's kind of how I thought of it was like the reason that area or like that belly of the spider is sensitive is because it was hosting, right? The actual, like demon gray site alien thing

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 20:18

I wonder. I'm pretty sure it was a soundstage. But I liked how they did the penny wise thing when he was inside the storm drain. Like, I don't think he was in an actual storm drain in like in the middle of some neighborhood. But they really they did a really good job on that. And then, you know, showing his creepy teeth. That was scary. He was just a funny clown. There's like nothing else I could think of as far as production wise, but I think like the first scene, or the first thing you see is like the title car, and it's all like super loud as all 390 90s Uh huh. But then after that, it kind of starts to pick up and stuff. And I think the actors did really well. It does remind me a lot of like, soap opera from like the 90s and stuff. So that's what I remember from it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:09

Yeah. let's backtrack a little bit. So had you seen the movie

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:15

I saw. As a kid. I think my parents watched it like, and I don't think it came out all at once. It was just like it came out. I want to say like on Sunday nights, that was like the thing. Like it was either Sunday nights or Friday nights. But as usually Sunday nights, I remember that too. And yeah, I remember it like being very creepy and stuff. But I didn't know much of the story until recently when I got older. You know, looking into Stephen King's stuff. He's a really twisted person or his mind is he's, he's really creative in the horror arts, if you will. But yeah, I seen it with you kind of brought back a lot of memories as far as like, what the 90s were about and stuff. But it was pretty cool.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 22:04

Yeah, I had never seen it, of course. And I think what we do need to establish is that neither of us has seen the newer versions of the movie. So we don't know anything about the new movies. And we definitely plan to cover them soon. Right. But yeah, neither of us had seen the new ones. I had not seen the first one. So I also felt like it was one of those like Crime Investigation movies on lifetime, right. I didn't like hate the movie. I just felt like it was definitely too long. Like hearing it was originally gonna be 10 hours is like, wow.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 22:44

Yeah, that would have been a little bit too much. Yeah, I think that there was like that one scene though, where one of the characters the girl was named Beverly. Mm hmm. She went to go have tea at her old house and stuff. And I remember hearing about the updated version of that scene. Yeah. And I heard that was really creepy, but I hadn't seen it. So while we were watching it, it was like finishing up. I watched that scene from the new one is pretty it's pretty messed up. It's pretty good, though. So I want to see the new one. And I want to see how they recreate all the stuff you saw in the 90s movie. Yeah, the newer version. So it's pretty cool.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 23:19

Yeah, I'm excited about it. And I have to admit, though, that from the very beginning, when the movie started, I thought it was interesting to see how they had to get creative with showing when people were killed because they couldn't get like bloody or gory. Right. So like the very first I guess kill scene when the Was it a little boy or girl? I don't remember it goes missing from the bike. It was a little girl. Yeah, the bike scene like is the first I guess, like kill scene, you see. And I was just like, wow, they didn't have to show blood or anything happened to like, convey that someone just got murdered.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:54

Yeah, it was kind of the I mean, it's still like, kind of like the best practice I think, is to kind of do an off screen kill for like suspense, because it kind of leaves it up to the audience to imagine what that looks like. There was actually a lot of blood if you really think about it in the show, though. Yeah, there was but it wasn't like gory. Like, it wasn't like people torn apart or anything. I think the only like, actual gory part that I remember with like, human parts, was the severed head inside the refrigerator. It was talking about but it was like funny because the guy's talking.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:30

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It was just interesting to see something done this way. I guess just because we've been watching way more different things lately. Um, I will say though, that I friggin loved the costume. Oh, yeah. I've always liked clowns in general. And I was actually curious if this movie was gonna scare me away from clowns, since I'm not afraid of clowns, but I really liked his costume and I thought he was funny.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:00

Yeah, like if you watch the new it I think that's the one thing I don't like about the new it is they kind of make him look more menacing and scary. Mm hmm. And if you see Tim Curry's it like he's just a regular clown. That's goofy and stuff, and that's what makes him scary. This he's not he's like this, you know, evil thing behind this thing that's supposed to be funny. Yeah, well, the new it. You can tell that he looks like scary. Yes. And I don't know. I just like Tim Curry's portrayal better, I think.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:34

Yeah, I'm curious to see how different it is because are familiar did mention to me that they kind of do change it around to be more, I guess, demonic alien II and the new one. Right? So I'm curious to see how I feel about it after I watch it just because I'm not a big fan. From the outside looking in, at least like I'm not a huge fan of the great costume. Right? Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see how we feel. Once we watch it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 26:03

Yeah, if you actually I've seen it. I saw one video on YouTube. I don't know what it was called. But they talk about how it fits in this like gigantic Stephen King universe. And every book has a part in like that universe. And like they talk about how it is like this alien that comes to earth and feeds on on children. And actually, it is mentioned in other movies. Or like, like, like the town is mentioned in other movies that were it is from

Ghost Hostess Mandy 26:36

dairy. Yeah. Interesting.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 26:38

So it's pretty crazy. And what stuck out in your mind with with the movie?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 26:45

Um, well, we don't normally touch these like, meta things. I guess. They're kind of awkward. Sometimes, but I was really uncomfortable with how everyone kept touching Bev in the movie. Like, a to begin with, like, the abusive stuff. I get it right. But even when she was with the kid, when they reunited, I was like, Why is everyone touching her? Why is she kissing everyone? Like it was just

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 27:14

weird to me? Yeah, there was a the the one the main character. The main guy with the glasses and the ponytail. He had like a girlfriend remember? Yes. And he like hardcore, like kissed bed when you first saw her? Yeah, like, I don't know. I was like, What the hell's going on here. And everybody kept on like, like, hugging her, like from behind. And I remember one point, I think I thought like, they were like, like rubbing her back. But one of the guys was actually rubbing her back. But then they did a cutaway of one of the guys on the floor. And I thought he was rubbing her feet. But he was actually rubbing his own feet. And I was like, Dude, what's going on here? But it was so like, weird that they were like touching her so much. Yeah. And I'm like, I know, this is the 19th. But you know, come on. Like, this is awkward.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:04

Yeah, I was really uncomfortable with it. It made me wonder how the actress felt because, I mean, it's weird when people touch you, I get that you're acting, but it must have felt kind of, I don't know, I imagine it might have felt gross for her to like, constantly have to be touched on set, like when they were abusing her. And then even the positive scenes like with the friends right felt very weird to me.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:27

Before we get into the next thing, there's actually something that is really a kind of an update on the whole, like touching women on set and stuff. But recently, a lot of women, women, actresses, or actors, they are opting out to have male directors direct nude scenes and sex scenes with them inside. onset.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:52

Oh, you heard about that? I think I vaguely heard one of about someone but I can't

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:56

remember who it was. Yeah, a lot of actresses are putting in their contract now that if they're going to be doing a nude scene or a sex scene, no male crew members are allowed in during the shooting of that scene.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:08

Oh, like crew members at all? Yeah.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 29:10

Any male crew members? I think that's like, pretty crazy. Yeah, like, in a good way. Like, it's good that you know, you know, female actresses and actors or actors. You know, they're taking the steps to kind of improve their work life because it's kind of weird. Like, it's stressful. It is very stressful. I mean, you have to perform like naked and all this stuff. And then it's even worse when there's like, guys there. Like, I feel like the the one kid in in the movie, it has to take a shower. Like even that was weird back in the day as a kid. Yeah,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:44

I agree. I get that.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 29:48

So I just wanted to bring that up.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:50

Yeah, no, that's important. That's important to know, because I'm trying to remember who I heard it about, but I don't. It's killing me that I'm not gonna remember but we'll bring it In the next episode, if I remember,

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Ghost Hostess Mandy 30:02

So about bevv, I was curious to see if there was a reason for this. So I asked our godville to do some research. And he actually found out that in the book when the kids are in the sore, sore, sore system, yeah, they defeat it. But they know it's not like permanent, right. And so Bev actually has the idea to sleep with all of the boys to kind of merge their childhood and their adulthood, right. And this was kind of hard for me to grasp. But I think the way Stephen King has explained it is that when you're a child, you don't really remember things as they really were, like, we think we remember, we remember our childhood, but we really don't remember the details, right? And so that's kind of like throughout the movie, you see how, like, as an adult, you don't really like see or remember what kids do. So I guess the point of that scene was for the kids to merge their adulthood at that time to like, attach it to, like, attach that childhood memory to an important adulthood memory. Right. So that they would never forget that what what happened with it? Um,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 31:23

yeah, cuz then, like everybody in dairy, they like, forget about it, right?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 31:26

Yes. And why they're in denial.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 31:28

Yeah, that was so that was so weird that they did that. But going.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 31:34

Even the kids like even these kids kind of like forgot, right, I think because they, I mean, they didn't do it in the movie. But according to the book, they remembered those things, because they attach them to a permanent adulthood memory, which was losing their virginity. Right. Um, so I kind of made me wonder. Like, if the whole touching thing was just to like, allude to how close the kids were? Because they didn't really they didn't imply that that's what happened in the movie, right?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:06

Yeah, you did in the book? Because I know that they didn't show that but I don't think maybe, you know, them touching her maybe allude to that. But what is the name of the kid that stays in the in the town, Mike, Mike. So Mike stays in the town. So he remembers all that stuff. So if it ever comes back, he can call everybody. So I think they put him there in place of that scene. Someone has to someone has to remember and right. Mike was the one that stayed there. And they kind of alluded to how, you know, he lived in the bad part of town and stuff. And he's still stayed there. But he stayed there for a reason. And that's to make sure the town was safe. And if you know, danger ever arose again, he could call his friends to go defeat it again. And I think they talked to him as like, Oh, thanks, man. We all went to go live successful lives and you stayed here for us to make sure that it wouldn't ever come back and rain tear or whatever. Mm hmm.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:05

Yeah, you're right. I wonder now. I'm curious. We'll have to find out if in the book. Mike stays behind for that purpose. Yeah, maybe that's an interesting thought.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:16

Yeah, the only one that got screwed was Mike, because he got left behind and,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:19

and then he got stabbed. And then he got stabbed. What's up with that? Yeah, but on a lighter note. I hope our listeners get this. But Mike and Bill had a very important scene for me that I could not get out of my head. Okay. So when Mike gives those like silver bullets or whatever they are, Bill. Bill is so shocked. He's like, I thought we left them in the drain or whatever. And all I could think of was the Britney Spears music video. In the oops, I did it again. Video. Astronaut or whatever he is, is like, I have something for you. And it's like the necklace or whatever, from Titanic. And she's like, but I thought the old lady dropped it into the ocean in the end. And then he's like, well, BB I went down and got it for you. All I could think of when I saw that scene, was like it's like the Britney Spears video.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:20

I have no idea. Now I know. Yeah, I know how you feel. You're like, I don't know what to say to that because I don't know what you're talking about.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:30

Yeah, and I you know, I felt with all your references. But yeah, I'm gonna have to make you watch the video because like watching that scene, I was like, Wow, it's two guys reenacting the Britney Spears.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:41

Remember Titanic, but yeah, I don't remember that scene. come and knock on my door.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:52

Let's see what else I think that was all I had for what stuck out to me in the movie. I'm just In general, I, I actually really liked it himself, right?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:08

He's funny.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:09

Yeah, he Oh, I have one more scene that I thought was hilarious. And maybe I was just delirious third hour in, but I thought it was hilarious when he pretended to be Ben.

Unknown Speaker 35:20

Oh, yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:22

At the end like all of this smeared lipstick and he's like kismis boy

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:29

maybe what's his name? Stephen King has a thing for you know, having chicks trick other guys into making out with them but they're all like gross. Remember in the shiny?

Unknown Speaker 35:41


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:45

Oh one thing about Tim Curry that I just remembered. He was actually also up for the role of another clown. Could you? You want to guess which one joker? Yeah, the Joker. Tim Burton's Batman. Joker. He was up for the roll for the Joker.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:03

I'm glad that didn't happen. I think

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:05

would have been Yeah. Yeah. Would have been it would have been different for sure. Cuz Yeah. You know, jack nicholson, you know, his character was like a true like, gangster. And I don't know if Tim Curry would have been able to pull off being a gangster in that in that movie.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:20

Yeah. I do have one request for you. Yes, I lost my mind when I hope you do this right. When we were finishing watching the movie, because I kept telling him how much I love the Kismet fat boy part. When the girl wakes up at the end, like when she's like all crazy, and they're on the bike and she wakes up. You impersonated? That did it was it? He said something? Let's do it again.

Unknown Speaker 36:47

What did I say?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:48

What did I say? I'll do the voice. I just remember what I said. Hello, nerd. Cuz they're riding on the bike right?

Unknown Speaker 37:07

Just had to be there. Yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 37:11

So yeah, that was our take on it. But a lot like our Edward Scissorhands episode, Rudy noticed a similar theme in this movie to another. Not well, it's not the classic but another very popular movie we know, which is A Nightmare on Elm Street.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 37:31

Welcome to my nightmare.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 37:34

So do you want to explain why you think it is another Nightmare on Elm Street?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 37:40

I think that Nightmare on Elm Street was inspired by it actually. Yeah, cuz it came out a long time ago, probably around the same time that nightmare. Nightmare number three came out. So I feel like it was inspired by it. You know, you have the whole, you know, like the whole town knows about Freddy Krueger, but they're kind of keeping it a secret. Mm hmm. And then like the cloud or you know, pretty Krueger is pretty clownish if you think about it other than his, like, messed up face. And he's always playing like, really bad pranks on the kids and like, kind of messing with them in funny ways. If you think about it. And then also the all the, like the all the kids are kind of linked together because they can all see Freddy Krueger and they all know that they're all witnessing the same dream. Mm hmm. And just like the whole dream thing, you know, if you think about it, you know, Pennywise is messing with their daydreams. So I think there's a lot of parallels between Freddy Krueger and the clown from it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 38:49

That's an interesting observation, boo. I think you said it out loud. Like halfway through the film that you were like, it's just like Nightmare on Elm Street.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 38:58

I was like Eureka.

Unknown Speaker 39:01

Eureka nerd.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:06

Okay, so we have one final, very good question that are familiar came up with based on this episode. Okay. Don't freak out. Boo. Not freaking out. So it uses your fears to scare you. So what would he use to scare you?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:26

What would he used to scare me?

Unknown Speaker 39:29


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:32

I don't know. That's a hard question. Because the stuff that I'm afraid of is like, lame. Like, it's not. It's not like spiders or snakes or anything like that. I would say like, I don't know. I don't know. Heart attacks. No. I'm trying to think of what scary I mean. I don't know if anything like like vampires. Or werewolves or anything like that is scary. You know what? I take it back the girl from the ring that would scare the shit out of me that like if you use that against me I'd be like I'm done. I'm jumping out a window or something because I'm running like 100 miles an hour down the street because the girlfriend it is super creepy from the from the from the ring. The girl from the ring the Ring of Fire, it's

Ghost Hostess Mandy 40:26

okay, but dig deeper because like with the kids, he used like their inner thoughts like Bev was afraid of her dad. Oh, okay. Bill would see Georgie so like, what if it was something so like,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 40:41

slightly deeper? What about

Unknown Speaker 40:50

dead teeth?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 40:53

Dead teeth? Yeah, like when someone has like a dead tooth and it's like dark.

Unknown Speaker 40:57


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 40:58

but like a lot of them like a lot of them. Oh, you know what to? There's like a phobia of this too. But sometimes there's like, like, textures that have a lot of holes in them. Like anything? Yeah, what is it called? trypophobia that that's like, that would scare the crap out of me just like, almost kind of like honeycombs, like those like patterns that are holes and stuff. That would freak me out. You know, you never heard about that. No, yeah, anything that has like a pattern of like Kohl's but I mean, honeycomb zones, like creeped me out. But like, I don't know, I would have to show you some pictures with anything that has like, like, gross looking hole patterns. I don't know. It's

Ghost Hostess Mandy 41:42

that's what what, like the part in like, what about sleep? What about hands? That had a lot of holes in it, but hands?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 41:51

What? Oh, like the hollow? Those little punctures? Yeah. No, not like that. Okay, more like, I don't know, I'm trying to think of something that you wouldn't know. But you probably don't. I was gonna use like alien for an example. But I know you never seen alien. So. I don't know. Just like, anything that has holes in it that it's like a pattern of holes. I don't know. Like, I'm trying to look at something around the apartment that has it, but I can't think of anything. What about you?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 42:20

Well, I guess I'm gonna get all deep. But I think legitimately one of my worst fears is like something happening to you or the dogs.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 42:32

Me too.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 42:36

Like, I mean, Rudy knows this, but there's days. Don't judge me guys. But there's days when I literally like start crying out of nowhere because I start thinking about the day that I lose the dogs. Yeah, like I'm my my world is going to shatter and it's gonna be the end of the goal mates and me having a productive life. But really, there's days when I'm like dead crying over it. So I think like if he used anything, like showing my dogs in pain or needing me like I could not resist I would like risk my life to save them.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 43:15

What if he showed up with Lolo and Bruce but they're like taxidermied

Unknown Speaker 43:22

Stop it. No, but that'd be scary. It's not scary,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 43:27

but it's sad people like wolf

Unknown Speaker 43:30

wolf. Tim Curry doing versus that a lot. versus just being like silly. I'm trying to explain he'll be like city randomly. He'll just be like,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 43:50

that's really sound though. Like he's trying to get attention.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 43:55

But then I get like, like smaller to he's like looking at us like, Fuck, you guys know

Unknown Speaker 44:03

Be quiet. He's doing it. Let's do it again. Bruce.

Unknown Speaker 44:20

That's pretty awesome.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:21

Imagine Tim Curry doing that. You bet your bottom I'd be over there cool. Mere little Bruce.

Alright, we're having too much fun. Okay. And I threw the question back at our familiar because I was like, Well, if you're getting into our fears, we want to know yours. So he said something that crawls in a dark, empty location.

Unknown Speaker 44:47


Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:48

what about bait just like a random BABY Crawling in the dark or the it girl

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:54

covered in holes.

Unknown Speaker 45:00

Like Sheldon being

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 45:03

grossed out right now.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 45:10

All right, so it's time for

Unknown Speaker 45:15

friggin bad.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 45:18

Okay, so Rudy, how many bats? Would you give it?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 45:23

I would give it four out of five bats. Yeah, I would have given it five. But the whole touching Beverly thing kind of knocked it down a star or bad. It was really weird. Wow, four stars is high for us. Because Tim Curry did a such a good job. And he's not really in the movie a lot. But like, I looked forward to seeing him and seeing the crazy stuff that he was gonna do. And it seemed

Ghost Hostess Mandy 45:48

interesting. Well, I'm gonna give it three bats. And why is that? I don't even think I mentioned this. But we chose or I should say, I chose to start with the original it because I feel like it's always important to understand like, how things evolved, right? So you'll notice that when possible, I'm going to try to make sure we cover things in the order they're meant to be. So I feel like it's important to watch this to understand, like, if you're a big horror fan or a Halloween fan, like you should kind of like see the evolution of things for it. I really loved the costume. But I don't think I'll ever want to sit through it again. To be honest, like, it was Draggy sometimes, and like way too many details for someone like me like y'all know me. I didn't even know that the pumpkin scene was a prank in Sleepy Hollow. So this was a lot of information for me to retain.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 46:51

Supposedly, the book is like crazy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 46:56

Yeah, so it just maybe I'm learning. I'm not a Stephen King fan. Oh. So I don't know. But I really did love the costume. And I'm so glad I watched it because I have like a new love for the original costume now.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 47:13

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 47:14

And I will like to say that we are going to start including our familiars review, in this little segment. So the got those final say was also three bats for this movie.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 47:26


Ghost Hostess Mandy 47:28

All right. What are we at?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 47:31

We're at 47 minutes,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 47:33

47 minutes, guys. We are not intentionally making shorter shows for you guys. But we are also not forcing ourselves to make them longer if they just naturally end up a little shorter. Yeah. But we promise we have some exciting stuff coming up over the next few months. And pretty sure some of the episodes are gonna get longer. So do not what is it called? fret, yes, do not fret. But if you want more of us, you can always check out our pre show that comes out weekly. On our Patreon, I swear that was a natural little

Unknown Speaker 48:07

emotion that

Ghost Hostess Mandy 48:08

came out of this. We are doing a weekly pre show that we put on our Patreon. And so far, it's turning out to be a little longer than we expected. Yeah, but it's called Just Between Us ghouls and it's probably like the only place you can hear are familiar. Right?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 48:27

What are we? What are we talking about? We talked about? What do we talk about?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 48:32

We talked about what are familiar is up to over the last week. So if you're into that mystery, and you want to find out who is the guy behind the cat, then that's the place to find out.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 48:44

But what else do we talk about besides El Gato?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 48:47

Well, we talked about life behind the scenes with us right now, which is crazy.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 48:52

Talking about James Randi the guy that debunks

Ghost Hostess Mandy 48:55

Yes, you talk about James Randi? What What did we talk about? We rambled for quite a while.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 49:01

I talked about how weird it was the Wanda from one division and Quicksilver the her brother is also her husband and Godzilla. Oh, yeah. That was really weird.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 49:19

Yeah, so as you guys can see, that's the place where we're,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 49:22

yeah went all over the place

Ghost Hostess Mandy 49:24

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