S2, E8: Trick 'R Treat / BEKs

Updated: Jan 4

A review of Trick 'R Treat and a discussion about Black Eyed Kids.

Sam from Trick 'R Treat

Ghoulster 0:01

Welcome Foolish Ghoulsters to the podcast that keeps the spirit of Halloween alive all year through pop culture and nostalgia and now it's love at first fright with The Ghoul Mates.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:17

Welcome back to The Ghoul Mates.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:19

Hey, spooky people.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:20

Today we have a very special episode for you Gvhoulsters it's definitely a lot of pressure but we want to start by letting you know that today's episode is dedicated to you guys our Ghoulsters we know so many of you love this movie so much and we only hope we can do it the justice you are looking for. So today we are talking about Trick 'r Treat.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:41

But first we have

Ghoulster 0:44

Horror Trivia

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:46


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:48

I know right?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:49

Are you ready?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:50

I'm so ready right now.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:52

Okay. What are the seven deadly sins featured in the movie Se7en?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:01


Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:02


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:03


Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:05

Uh huh.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:07


Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:08


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:09


Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:11

Dang. Okay.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:13

Um, I don't know. I don't know the other two or wait, there's like three more.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:18

Three more.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:18

I don't know them.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:19

Greed, lust and wrath.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:21


Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:22

That was still pretty good.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:24

I am pretty good at stuff. Okay, let's see what you got. Oh, I don't know that one. I'll give you this one. Which installment of Halloween did Jamie Lee Curtis and Janet Lee star in together?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:40

Um, I don't know who Janet Lee is. Halloween 5. I don't even know if there's a Halloween 5.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:51

The answer is Halloween Water.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:55

Do you mean H2O?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:57

Yes. Halloween H2O. Is that the fifth one?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 2:01

I don't know. I am not current or caught. Or what should I say? I haven't watched them recently. But it's on the list. Because it is one of my favorites.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 2:12


Ghost Hostess Mandy 2:12

It's just one of those words like I don't want to talk about it being my favorite because I'm not read up on it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 2:18

I get you, I get you.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 2:21

Alright, are you ready for some

Ghoulster 2:23

Haunted Housekeeping.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 2:25

I'm always ready for some.

Ghoulster 2:27

Haunted Housekeeping.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 2:30

Okay, so you guys, Tales from the Tent has officially been released on our YouTube channel. We worked really hard on it. So please be sure to hit the like button when you watch it. And if you are so inclined, please leave a comment and let us know what you thought the spookiest parts were that will help us keep bringing you the spookiest content we can. And while we are on the YouTube note, we can't believe our second season is already coming to an end very soon. Some of you might know we had a last minute season one wrap party last season on our Instagram. So this time we are planning ahead so that hopefully all you amazing listeners can join us on November 13. Our final episode we will be hosting a Friday the 13th Season two wrap party on YouTube Live. See what better way to celebrate Friday the 13th and with your two favorite spooky people. You guys know we love to go all out for everything. So if you haven't already, be sure to check out our Instagram at the goal mates we shared photos of our Hocus Pocus, Patreon Zoom Party on Saturday. And you can definitely be expecting a slashing good time filled with bloody decor and all for our Friday the 13th party.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 3:48

Yeah, that was a great little party that we put together on Zoom. They like wanting to stay on so long. It was so awesome. Like that they wanted to talk so much. And we could have stayed here all day just talking about like, spooky stuff was awesome.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 4:05

Yeah, I had no idea how it was gonna go because it was super different from going live. And like trying to read comments and like not knowing whether people really wanted us to stay on or not. Yeah, so it was really awesome. And you guys, I also want to add that it's been really humbling for us to hear from them firsthand, like what this community has meant for them. And so I just want to say if any of you are listening and you feel like shy to reach out to us, or if you feel like this podcast creates something for you that helps you feel like you're not alone in sharing Halloween. Like, please think twice and actually message us so we can get you connected with all of our other ghoulsters who love talking about all the same things because some of them have felt alone too. And we just want to help everybody feel like they belong in a spooky community.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 4:56

Yes, yes.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 4:58

All right. What else do we have here? I think that's it for today's haunted housekeeping. That was short. Okay.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 5:09

That's always good.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 5:10

So I know you guys are dying to hear all about one of your favorite movies, so I won't delay it any longer. Today we are switching things up a little and we're gonna talk more about the history and making of the movie before we go into our thoughts. Are you ready?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 5:26

Always ready.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 5:27

Okay, so Trick 'r Treat was released on December 9 2007. It is an American anthology horror film written and directed by Michael Dougherty. It ties together for Halloween horror stories with a common element. Sam, who appears in each of the stories whenever a character breaks Halloween traditions. So the movie went through several different names before they decided on Trick 'r Treat. Some of the ideas were season Greetings, Halloween of Terrors, Jack o' Lantern, and October The 31st. And there's actually a 1982 movie named Trick or Treats, and they ended up using Trick 'r Treat to make sure it didn't infringe on the copyright of the 1982 film Trick or Treats.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:13

We should check out that one that 1982 movie.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:16

Yeah, I was thinking that. I like that idea. Oh, and then maybe we could do like a Trick 'r Treat versus Trick or Treats

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:24

That'd be Awesome.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:26

All right. So I actually was really surprised to learn a lot about the things that I'm going to share with you guys today. So Sam was actually inspired by a short animation that the director Michael Dougherty did in his time at NYU. Wait, was it NYU?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:45

Yeah. He went to NYU film school.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:46

Yes NYU film school, and that short film? Is it a short film?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:51

Yeah, it's a I think it was one of his projects a short animation.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:55


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:55

Somebody put together.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:56

And that one was called Season's Greeting. And it was released back in 1996. So Michael wanted to create a character that represented Halloween, like Santa represents Christmas. And throughout history, he kept seeing like a pumpkin headed character kept popping up. So he decided to develop that character into the idea of Sam. So the history of Halloween dates back 2000 years ago, in ancient Britain, Ireland and Northern Europe. And there was the Celtic celebration of Samhain on October 31, which meant summer's end. So Sam is actually named after Samhain, which is spelled S A M H A I N.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 7:43

I thought there was genius I though that was pretty cool that he got the name from Samhain.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 7:48

I know.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 7:49

A lot of people know about so and I didn't even know about it until recently until I think. The book right. Well, Spooky Little Halloween. She kind of mentioned it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 8:00

Oh, yes.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 8:02

Oh, I didn't know that. I mean, I knew that there. There was like a rich history about Halloween. Like it existed forever. But I know that the the details until like, recently,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 8:12

yes. And that's actually. So there's actually a lot of history and details and research that went into them creating this film. But like Rudy mentioned, we don't really know a lot of that history. And I don't want to like come on here and tell you guys like tons of incorrect facts. But I want you to know that we definitely plan on doing a history of Halloween, eventually, when we can really like bringing our entire team together to do that kind of research, because we want to go all out as always on that.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 8:44

I know like bits and pieces of it. But yeah, I think we need to kind of do a deep dive. So when we talk about it, we don't sound silly.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 8:51

Yes, exactly. So we're not gonna talk too much about it. But I will say if you're interested in learning more about the history that the movie drew from specifically, I highly recommend watching the special feature on the blu ray called Trick 'r Treat the Lore and Legends of Halloween, because that's kind of where I grabbed some of my information for this episode. And there's tons of cool little Halloween knowledge in that, I guess. feature it's kind of like a little documentary.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:19

Yeah. It's like a little feature about the making the making of and like the influence of Halloween on the movie.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:27

Yes. And so something that I really liked though, was Michael Dougherty. Talked about Sam a little bit. And so Sam has kind of just followed him throughout his work for so many years. And he really wanted to develop him into this like mascot for Halloween, like we mentioned, and so nobody knows for sure but because of the connection to Samhain and the name everyone thinks that Sam is about 2000 years old, like as old as Halloween is right. But Michael Dougherty wanted specifically for a child to play because he wanted him to really feel like a real trick or treater in the scenes.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:06


Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:06

And he didn't think

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:07

That makes sense. Yeah,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:08

Yeah. That like a short adult person could like recreate like the stumbling like the way kids walk.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:14

Yeah kids have like this. This kind of looks like they're developing how to walk like an adult and stuff.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:21


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:22

So, yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:24

Yeah, I thought it was pretty interesting. And I think that that's kind of also why people think Sam is so cute because on top of like his outfit, he has that like, Oh, he's so cute the way he walks to him. Yeah, it added to his character.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:40

And it'd be really hard to have a scene where you have an adult, even if it's a smaller adult, grabbing the candy, it would look like an adult hand. Like, the first time Sam grabs a candy. It's like super cute, because you could tell it's a kid.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:54


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:54

His costume is kind of bigger than him. Almost. So odd. So yeah, it had to be played by kid.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:01

And I have to add to like, I swear one of these days, guys, I promise you I am gonna dress to Sam because I'm all about comfort. And the costume looks like the most cute and comfortable costume to wear ever.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:14

Yeah, no, I think about it. It is because if it's cold, you can wear like this whole, like onesy right?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:22

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:23

And then the mask, so won't get so hot. It's also a mesh, so you can get some air into it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:28


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:29

So yeah, it's perfect for Halloween, and a comfortable Halloween.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:33

And I think for once my stubby little hands work to my I could hold that lollipop like a kid. Okay, so, before we get into our thoughts and experience with the movie, I wanted to also talk about the comics. So you all have seen the comic pages at the beginning and end of the movie. So my best guess and assumption is that they are a tribute to the original short animation Seasons Greeting. And it made me wonder if the comic came before or after, and it in fact came after. So in October 2009, the graphic novel was released, which was a retelling of the movie. But then later in October 2015 Trick 'r Treat days of the dead was released and this comic had four brand new stories called Seed Corn Maiden, Echoes and Monster Mash. These comics revolve around a grandfather teaching a girl about Halloween traditions and stories from the past to show her she doesn't have to be afraid of Halloween. They consist of witches, ghosts, ghouls, and so many other monsters including humans. And Sam is in all four stories. And in the comics, Seed, Sam is actually called upon by a witch in the year 1640. So last month Trick or Treat Omnibus was released for the 10th anniversary, which included the first original graphic novel from 2009. And the four new stories added in 2015 as a collection.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:00

Why don't we have that? Where is that? That's not in my hands, I need that right now.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:06

I keep wanting to get it, but it's also like I know we're never gonna read it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:10

But we it's a collector's item. Yeah, we need to go to our local comic book store and go see what they have before. Any before it gets sold out again.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:20

Yeah, you're right. The more we talked about it, the more I do want it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:24


Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:25

Uh, all right. So yeah, if you guys are interested in snagging it. Um, I think

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:30

Or snagging it for us, whichever.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:34

I think it's still available if you guys want to hunt it down. Okay, so let's talk about our experience and thoughts of the movie. A little bit of background for those of you who weren't on our season one wrap party on Instagram Live. We had never seen this movie. I think I personally just thought it was like some B movie and I wasn't sure if it was like worth watching.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:58

Mm hmm. I always thought it was a like a slasher movie with a little kid as like, the killer and he's like going around killing people at parties and stuff for Halloween.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 14:11


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 14:12

Yeah. And just never really interested me. And not always, but I just never watched it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 14:16

Yeah, I don't even know what I thought it was about. I wasn't sure at all. Um, so what? Let's kind of talk about our first reaction since we had never seen it. What did you think about it the first time we saw it?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 14:30

Um, oh, I was kind of not not shocked. But it took me by surprise because I didn't know it was an anthology, right. And I like you know, Tales from the Crypt. The Twilight Zone like, Are you afraid of the dark, those kind of anthology shows.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 14:54


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 14:55

And I got excited because I'm like, Okay, I'm going to see multiple stories play out and it's gonna be fun. There's like one central character even like at the beginning when they have like the comic books and stuff. You know, Creep Show has that Tales from the Tent. Tales from the Tales from the Crypt has that. They have like, the comic books. They include the comic books and like the intros and stuff. So I thought it was cool. I was kind of disappointed in myself that I hadn't seen it earlier. Because the character was so cute. And he was just like, I need to go out and buy this character somehow.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 15:31

Oh, thats right.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 15:32

We went crazy looking for the character,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 15:34

We need to talk about that. I forgot about that. So we saw the movie. And I think about halfway through. I guess before we can get into that. Let me give my perspective really quick. I wasn't sure how to feel going into the movie. Because I think everyone had built it up so much that I was like, This is gonna be an amazing Halloween watch right now. And then it just threw me off with the vomit scene, which we'll get into.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:02

Oh yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:03

But yeah, I wasn't sure where what was happening with the movie. It was a little hard for me to follow.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:09

What did we What did we do that day? We were

Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:11

It was our Live Party.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:12

That's right. Yeah,

The Ghoul Mates 16:13

We were tired.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:14


Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:14

But Rudy right away was like, I need to take a picture of him. So why don't you tell them? The witch hunt you sent us on to get Sam?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:26

Yeah, well, I mean, once the movie was done, I was like, super excited about it. And I was like, you know, I want to like photograph this guy. I want to get, you know, I want to go to Spirit and see if they have something. And we went. Actually not I was wrong about that. You had seen him at Spirit once. And I had seen him once, too, but I didn't think anything of it, because I hadn't seen the movie yet.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:49


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:50

And then I remembered there was this. This couple and they were paying, and they had like a little dancing, Sam. And I was like, I want that. Like later on. I was like, you know, I need that. Like, I know, like, I know exactly what I want to wit to like four or five different Spirits looking for him. We could not find him.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:09

In one day

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:10

In one day.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:11

And then I found so this whole time we both thought we wanted the same Sam.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:17

Oh, yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:17

And then we finally got to a store that had both Sam's. So both of us were like, Oh my god, they have him. And we were like, wait, that's not the one.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:26

Yeah, we were like I told her like, Oh, I found them is like, Oh, I found them too. And then and then she turned around, and she had a totally different Sam in her hand. And I did that I did. And then we bought we ended up buying both of them. Which I was like, super happy about. And then we I think we stopped at Walmart for something I forgot what we stopped our Target.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:49

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:50

And we usually go to the electronics section to look for like different toys. We got a lot of our NECA stuff from Walmart and Target. And lo and behold, there was a NECA of Sam.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:05


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 18:06

Trick 'r Treat. So we're like, Damn, we were like on a Sam overload. So we ended up buying that one. But we had to like return one of them because we had too much Sam already. So yeah. We're really happy with the little figure. And he's like, so cool. Because he has like a little he has like different masks.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:25


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 18:26

And then he has different weapons, but I

Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:28

And the pumpkin is in it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 18:29

And the pumpkins in it, too. But I have him on our display case with his little candy cane. Or a lollipop.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:37


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 18:37

Candy cane. Get out of here.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:40

And like for me, the one I was on the hunt for is the cute plush becuase he's freaking cute. So we ended up returning the one that dances.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 18:50

Unfortunately, yeah, we had to return that guy. Um, we almost kept on losing the plush one though, cuz Bruce kept on thinking it was a toy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:58

I know, we had to end up putting him like on a shelf, which makes me sad because I don't get to like cuddle it. Alright, so yes, that kind of shows our initial thoughts on the movie. I was still kind of like, I don't know how I feel about the movie. But I loved Sam the character because he was super cute.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 19:18


Ghost Hostess Mandy 19:18

And Rudy had to happen for photos. So we kind of were like, I don't know, I think we were kind of like, it was cool. I don't know. But we knew that you guys really liked the movie.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 19:32

I liked the movie.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 19:35

But were you crazy about it?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 19:37

You know what? At first I wasn't I but I did like the same character. But then. I don't know if you notice, but I've seen it a couple of times. Like I'll have it in the background playing. Yeah. So like I'm starting to slowly like like it more and more and more.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 19:51

Yeah, so for me that's kind of what happened. I think I just the first time it was too much for me to process.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 19:59

Yeah, there's a lot happening.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 20:00

I was tired. And I was like, What is going on? Like, I can't keep up with all of this. But then when we saw it the second time, I wasn't tired, fresh mind. And I was like, oh, and you can appreciate so many things more. Once you know what happens, I think, like I started to appreciate all of the clues they gave at the beginning, right as far as like the werewolves go, like when the Cinderella girl knocks on her dressing room door right on what's her name of Anna Paquin? dressing room door, she's like all huff and puff. And I'm like, Oh, that was like a little What is it called? Foreshadowing.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 20:38

Foreshadowing. There's actually a little foreshadowing. But before that, actually, if you watch the movie, I think you see most of the characters intersect with each other.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 20:48

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 20:49

Like the the opening shot is the kid that gets killed by the serial killer guy,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 20:56


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 20:57

So he's there. And then he's walking and then you tilt up. Or yeah, the you tilt the camera tilts up, and they show the serial killer for like a split second, they go back to the candy bag. And then they tilt up again. And they show the girls the werewolves.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:11

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:11

And then the last one is the kid. Kicks like a half beaten up pumpkin that's on the floor. Right? And that's to the kids that mess with the little witch girl.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:26

With Rhonda.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:26


Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:27

Yeah, my favorite character.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:29

So the the very beginning of the film, you see every single character that you're going to be seeing throughout the whole movie, or reference to every scene that's going to take place,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:38


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:39

It's very, like quick and subtle. I didn't even notice it until like a couple of days ago.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:44

Yeah. And that's because you've seen it a few times.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:47

Oh, yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:47

So I really think that, like that's one of the fun things about this movie is like no matter how many times you see it, you find something new every time you watch it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:56


Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:57

And so going back to my new thoughts on it, I guess, or my evolved thoughts on it, I guess, after learning how much research and history went into them making the film, I think it made me appreciate it a lot more. Because hearing how much Michael Dougherty loved Halloween just made me appreciate so much that like it wasn't just some filmmaker putting together like a Halloween movie. It was like he genuinely loved Halloween for so many years. And he wanted this to kind of be like a tribute to the history of the holiday. So I think I think for me, that's when I kind of like hearing the behind the scenes, and then seeing it a second time and understanding what was happening this time. I was like, No wonder this has become like such a huge staple in the Halloween community. Because it just represents Halloween so well.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 22:55


Ghost Hostess Mandy 22:55

And I think we're gonna get more into this later. But I love that what it does is it forces people to respect the holiday.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:04

Exactly, yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 23:06

So do you want to kind of go into specific scenes that stuck out to us?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:11

Sure, we can do that.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 23:12

Okay, so for me, I kind of mentioned this earlier, the vomit scene was kind of like the thing that instantly was like, I don't know, this movie is what I was expecting.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:25

It was pretty, it's pretty hardcore. I saw the special features. And the thing that popped into my head was The Exorcist because they use a similar technique for their vomit scene. And it's been around for a good while actually, I think maybe The Exorcist kind of pioneered and had, I guess, gag, but the way it works is that the camera is going to be on to the side of the actor. So you're going to only see like a profile shot.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 23:56


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:57

And then they have a tube that kind of wraps around the other side of the face. And then here's the thing that goes inside the mouth. And then there's like a nozzle that shoots out.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:09


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:10

So that's why it makes it look so real. Like it's coming out. It's not coming from the side. It's coming. It's going into the mouth. And then and then it's spraying from outside the mouth. From inside the mouth. Sorry.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:19


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:20

But it was it was. It's pretty gnarly. It's pretty crazy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:23

Yeah. And I think the actor mentioned the kid that played that. That role.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:28


Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:28

Mentioned that it like, doesn't taste gross, but it's still kind of like icky doing it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:34

Yeah, I think a few saying was kind of like chocolate syrup. But I'm pretty sure that to use like, like a thickening agent, maybe like cornstarch or something, but it's not gonna taste, it's not going to taste good, but it's not gonna taste gross.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:46


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:47

But yeah, that's, I mean, I'm pretty sure they had to do it a couple of times. You got to think okay, he's, he did it once for the wide shot and I think I'm gonna do the close ups, but they have to like clean all that up.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:59

Oh that's true

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:01

And reset everything. And if he messed up on the wide shots, it's gonna take even longer to like, clean all that stuff up.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:07

I wonder if they had like changes of clothes to for the people?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:11

Yeah, I think like in most movies, they'll have like multiple costumes for that reason

Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:16

Of the same outfit? That's crazy things you don't think about like, yeah, it's I don't know. It's just cool. Let's see what else. So for me both times watching it. I love the movie now. But I think for me every time the movie really like takes off and turns around for me at the bus massacre scene.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:38

Oh, one quick little side note. The car from the 80s movie, Christine makes an appearance in that scene.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:48

Oh, yeah, I kind of heard about that. But I actually don't really know Christine.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:52

Yeah, it's a movie about I think it's a Stephen King book that they made into a movie.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:58

Uh huh.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:58

And it's about this. I think it's either the cars possessed or like, there's a girl ghosts in it. But it's in love with this guy. And the car goes around killing people that wrongs the guy that the car is in love with.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 26:13


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 26:14

Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 26:16

It sounds like corny, but really interesting. At the same time,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 26:20

you know, it's, I was probably, I think the last time I saw it, I was probably like, in middle school. But it's it's a pretty good movie.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 26:28

we'll add it to the very, very long list.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 26:30

And we'll watch maximum overdrive too that's also about killer cars.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 26:35

Oh, the only thing I know about killer cars is Joy Ride.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 26:39

Joy Ride. You know, that bus scene is pretty cool. Because I like the costumes that the kids have. Yes, they remind me so much of my childhood and my childhood. The thing was vacuform masks, and they're like, this heated up plastic that is put over a mold. And it's like, vacuumed, tight. And like every kid had the those masks like in the 80s, and they're like, if you weren't careful. They were like super sharp to like the edges. So they were also dangerous. But then I had mentioned this before, but they also came usually with some kind of like plastic costume.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:23


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 27:24

And it's usually like some kind of like, almost like a poncho, you just throw on a tie at the waist stuff, but I really liked the devil in the bus. Because he's like, super tall. And then his like, like, his mask is kind of big. It's just odd because it doesn't look like a real person. I don't know if you remember him. He's in the back.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:44

I don't to be honest.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 27:46

But yeah, he was funny. He's all he's really goofy. Um, I like that Dracula too. He's the one that drives everybody off the cliff.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:54

Ah, okay.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 27:55

His mask was pretty cool, too.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:57

Yeah, I think in general, the costumes were really cool throughout the movie. Yeah, they were all pretty good. kind of touched on like all kinds of characters like from the Disney princesses.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:08


Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:08

Like your classic vampire.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:11

Yeah. Vampire, Witches, Werewolves.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:17


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:18

Devils. I think there was a rabbit in there too.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:22

And a robot

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:23

And a robot. Yeah so I mean Michael Dougherty does talk about that how everybody's been a robot in their life for Halloween. And it's always like, cumbersome and annoying. But yeah, saw that with the first character. She's a robot, first victim. And I don't think I was ever a robot. But I could see how it's like, annoying to move around as robot.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:44

It's bulky.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:44

Very bulky. I actually wanted to be the robot from what's that band called? L A was it LMFO

Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:52


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:53

There you go. Cuz I knew one of the music videos. There's like a robot that's dancing. And I was I always wanted to be that robot.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:00

I could see you wanting to do that.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 29:02

But I just never got around to it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:04

Yeah. And then. I don't know. So like, after that scene, when the kids play that prank on Rhonda.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 29:13

Oh, yeah, that's a great scene. By the way.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:15

It's done really well. But what really sticks out to me is like what a savage she is at the end.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 29:23

It was pretty hardcore. Um, when she's going down that elevator, and you see like the pumpkins floating around and slowly extinguishing. Oh, so good. That was a really great scene, wherever. I don't know who the DP is. But it was like great. It was lit really well and it was just like, Oh, that's so cool. I wouldn't ever like thought of that. But yeah, Rhonda don't mess with Rhondas is on Halloween.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:48

Well, I at first i when we were watching the scene. I've felt like they did such a good job of making you feel like how terrible it was for her like with the glasses breaking like you just felt Like, oh my god, like what a poor little girl like my heart was breaking for her because it was like, so scary. And then you never see, like strong female characters like this. I don't think like, where she was just like, like you think she's just gonna break down and like cave and then she hits that button and she's like, screw you guys.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 30:25

You know what it reminded me of and it just a light bulb just went off in my head. It reminds me of Carrie.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 30:33

Oh, yes.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 30:34

You know, people like the trick hwe into thinking that she's normal, or she's like, part of the group and they want to befriend her and but they only do it just to mess with her. And then she ends up killing everybody. So it was kind of like the same thing.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 30:49


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 30:50

Cuz like Ron does character, you know, she doesn't have a lot of friends. So I'm assuming she has like, she doesn't have any social skills. So she's awkward. Like when she's talking about Samhain? Yeah. And the kids like, what? Like, what are you talking about? and Carrie is the same way. You know, she doesn't have a lot of friends. Her mom controls everything. So she's awkward. And she doesn't have social skills either. So, you know, you kind of like as that kid you want to belong in and want to, like, be a part of something.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 31:25

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 31:26

And then when it's like thrown in your face, of course, you're gonna like, fuck those people. Like I'm just gonna like, why even try?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 31:33

Yeah, it's just like, I think it takes a lot of like, I don't know, not courage, but it's just like it's not easy to A. like willingly be okay with knowing that you're gonna let somebody get hurt, I guess. And then B. to like, really be like, I deserve better than this.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 31:55

Yeah, exactly.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 31:56

So then after Ronday- Rhonday. After Rhonda, there's another powerful female scene. The shocking scene with the werewolves.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:09

Yeah, I didn't see that coming. I thought that the guy that's the victim of the werewolves, I thought he was a vampire. turned her. And then she killed him. Oh, and then she was gonna turn everybody at the party.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 32:25


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:26

But when they when they show him I was like, What? What's going on here? Like, I didn't understand what was happening. Until like, they started like,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 32:34


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:35

Transforming is like, Oh, shit. Like, I didn't see that coming. It was it was pretty. It's pretty good.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 32:40

Yeah, I don't know about you. But I had never seen female werewolves before in a horror movie. And so I thought that that was really cool. And I loved how they like chose costumes that made them look like your typical damsel in distress like Princess, Little Red Riding Hood. And then it like, they kind of use that to their advantage like all these cliches towards those costumes,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:05


Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:05

To like lure in their victims.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:08

Their prey.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:09

And bam. They're werewolves.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:12

Werewolves, not swear-wolves.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:14


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:15

But you know what? When I'm when I'm thinking about it, I thought it was clever how she kept on talking about her first time.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:22


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:22

And then she's like, a virgin or whatever.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:25

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:26

But like, if this is her first time, killing and eating a person like, so. Somebody else has been killing stuff for her and she eats it?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:38


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:39

cuz like.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:39

Cuz, Isn't that how dogs eat too?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:43

Well, I mean, wolves, they have to they go and hunt their own food. And they eat it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:48

Yeah, but I would assume sometimes they like one of them, catches the prey, and then they all come and eat.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:54

Um, I don't know. I'm not a zoologist or anything. So maybe. But I mean, I would assume she'd have to, like early on as a kid learn how to kill something and eat it. I mean, that's what wolves do in the wild.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:07

Or maybe are werewolves like vampires. No, not vampires. Like witches were like you don't transform until your like 18th birthday or something?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:16

I don't know. No, I've never heard of that. I think if you get bitten or scratched by a werewolf you're a werewolf, and that's it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:21

Oh, maybe that's what happened to her.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:23


Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:24

Maybe she wasn't a werewolf until recently.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:26

Maybe? I don't know. I mean, I just just odd that she's like, barely hunting for her prey.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:34

Yeah, I get you. I guess I hadn't really thought about it until you brought it up. No, it is kind of weird. Were there any other specific scenes that stuck out to you in the movie?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:45

I'm not really I mean, it's it's all solid. The only thing I'm looking forward to is a sequel to the movie. I know he did sequel.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:53

I think that Michael Dougherty had confirmed a few years ago that they were making one but apparently like nothing has come of it

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:00


Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:01

So I'm not sure what's happening with that. I'll have to do some more research to see if I can get the nitty gritty detail.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:08

I think he's too busy with Godzilla.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:10

Is he working on Godzilla?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:12

Yeah, I think he's working. Or he did the last one King of the Monsters and I think he's doing King Kong Vs. Godzilla.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:19

Oh, what a spooky dude.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:21

Exactly. Um, so he's kind of like on the bubble of being like one of those big directors. He's He's JJ Abrams-esque,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:31


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:31

So yeah, I think he's a good director. He's got like, a lot of like, little things here and there.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:37

Yeah, it sounds like everything I've heard he's worked on. I'm a fan of so.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:40


Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:41

That was pretty cool. All right. So before we move on to

Ghoulster 35:45

Fables from out Familiar.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:47

I thought we couldn't end the episode without talking about the actual Trick 'r Treat rules.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:54


Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:54

Yeah. Cuz I felt like I mentioned earlier, what I love about the movie is it like forces people to respect the holiday. And it's kind of like, everyone should embrace the spirit of Halloween. And I feel like Sam's kind of like the enforcer out like, forcing people to freaking trick or treat, and have fun and respect Jack 'o lanterns. And I mean, that's my favorite part about the movie in general.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:22

What's the equivalent of? I know what it is? Santa Claus gives you a lump of coal if you're naughty.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:30

That's true.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:31

And Sam just slit your throat.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:34

With a sharp lollipop.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:35

With a sharp lollipop.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:37

Okay, so the first rule is always hand out candy to trick or treaters. Because that's frickin lame. If you don't want to give candy, under normal circumstances, of course.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:50

Or have boxes of raisins. Did you ever go to a house? I gave out boxes of raisins?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:55

I don't think so.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:57

Back in the day, that was like the worst thing you could do.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:59

That should be like a asterix at the bottom of the rule. Always handout good candy. Okay, the second one is always wearing a costume. Then we have never blow out a jack o' lantern before midnight.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 37:18

Do you think that was made up for the movie? Or that's an actual thing?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 37:22

I am not sure. But I feel like they might have mentioned it in that special feature that I saw.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 37:28


Ghost Hostess Mandy 37:28

So I'll have to get back to you on that one. And then the next one is always respect the dead. And I kind of know the history on that one. It is so October 31. According to Rhonda in the special features

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 37:46


Ghost Hostess Mandy 37:47

She says October 31 is the one night when the blurred line between the living and the dead is thinnest. So back in Samhain times, right? It's not the proper way to say it. They believe that the dad would walk the earth on Halloween night,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 38:08


Ghost Hostess Mandy 38:08

And that's kind ofwhy people actually wear costumes to so that you could conceal yourself and like blend in. Right so it's kind of like a in Hocus Pocus. I had to bring Hocus Pocus up where the Sanderson sisters come like back to life. And they see like all of the ghouls and goblins and they're like they think that they're real.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 38:28

Oh, that's right.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 38:29

And the concept is like you trick the dead into thinking that you're one of them. And then we have always check your candy.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 38:39

Oh yeah, the good old check candy thing. I remember growing up, you know, everybody's parents had a story about some tragedy that befell some kid that didn't check their candy. And their parents would check the candy too. I remember stories about kids getting like LED laced, LED.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:04

Lit candy.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:05

Some lity candy, some LSD laced candies. And back in the day, people would go fruits too.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:16

Oh, yeah.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:17

And one of them was one of the things they told you was that there might be a razor blade in the apple. It was either an apple or Candy Apple but they always say like to check the apples because it would have razor blades in them. Like that was like the urban legend.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:32

How Okay, question. How do you put a razor blade in an apple?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:38

Um, you just normal razor blades are super sharp. You just toss it in there. Just push it in.