S2, E8: Trick 'R Treat / BEKs

Updated: Jan 4

A review of Trick 'R Treat and a discussion about Black Eyed Kids.

Ghoulster 0:01

Welcome Foolish Ghoulsters to the podcast that keeps the spirit of Halloween alive all year through pop culture and nostalgia and now it's love at first fright with The Ghoul Mates.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:17

Welcome back to The Ghoul Mates.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:19

Hey, spooky people.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:20

Today we have a very special episode for you Gvhoulsters it's definitely a lot of pressure but we want to start by letting you know that today's episode is dedicated to you guys our Ghoulsters we know so many of you love this movie so much and we only hope we can do it the justice you are looking for. So today we are talking about Trick 'r Treat.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:41

But first we have

Ghoulster 0:44

Horror Trivia

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Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:48

I know right?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:49

Are you ready?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:50

I'm so ready right now.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:52

Okay. What are the seven deadly sins featured in the movie Se7en?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:01


Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:02


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:03


Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:05

Uh huh.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:07


Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:08


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:09


Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:11

Dang. Okay.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:13

Um, I don't know. I don't know the other two or wait, there's like three more.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:18

Three more.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:18

I don't know them.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:19

Greed, lust and wrath.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:21


Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:22

That was still pretty good.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:24

I am pretty good at stuff. Okay, let's see what you got. Oh, I don't know that one. I'll give you this one. Which installment of Halloween did Jamie Lee Curtis and Janet Lee star in together?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:40

Um, I don't know who Janet Lee is. Halloween 5. I don't even know if there's a Halloween 5.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:51

The answer is Halloween Water.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:55

Do you mean H2O?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:57

Yes. Halloween H2O. Is that the fifth one?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 2:01

I don't know. I am not current or caught. Or what should I say? I haven't watched them recently. But it's on the list. Because it is one of my favorites.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 2:12


Ghost Hostess Mandy 2:12

It's just one of those words like I don't want to talk about it being my favorite because I'm not read up on it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 2:18

I get you, I get you.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 2:21

Alright, are you ready for some

Ghoulster 2:23

Haunted Housekeeping.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 2:25

I'm always ready for some.

Ghoulster 2:27

Haunted Housekeeping.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 2:30

Okay, so you guys, Tales from the Tent has officially been released on our YouTube channel. We worked really hard on it. So please be sure to hit the like button when you watch it. And if you are so inclined, please leave a comment and let us know what you thought the spookiest parts were that will help us keep bringing you the spookiest content we can. And while we are on the YouTube note, we can't believe our second season is already coming to an end very soon. Some of you might know we had a last minute season one wrap party last season on our Instagram. So this time we are planning ahead so that hopefully all you amazing listeners can join us on November 13. Our final episode we will be hosting a Friday the 13th Season two wrap party on YouTube Live. See what better way to celebrate Friday the 13th and with your two favorite spooky people. You guys know we love to go all out for everything. So if you haven't already, be sure to check out our Instagram at the goal mates we shared photos of our Hocus Pocus, Patreon Zoom Party on Saturday. And you can definitely be expecting a slashing good time filled with bloody decor and all for our Friday the 13th party.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 3:48

Yeah, that was a great little party that we put together on Zoom. They like wanting to stay on so long. It was so awesome. Like that they wanted to talk so much. And we could have stayed here all day just talking about like, spooky stuff was awesome.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 4:05

Yeah, I had no idea how it was gonna go because it was super different from going live. And like trying to read comments and like not knowing whether people really wanted us to stay on or not. Yeah, so it was really awesome. And you guys, I also want to add that it's been really humbling for us to hear from them firsthand, like what this community has meant for them. And so I just want to say if any of you are listening and you feel like shy to reach out to us, or if you feel like this podcast creates something for you that helps you feel like you're not alone in sharing Halloween. Like, please think twice and actually message us so we can get you connected with all of our other ghoulsters who love talking about all the same things because some of them have felt alone too. And we just want to help everybody feel like they belong in a spooky community.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 4:56

Yes, yes.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 4:58

All right. What else do we have here? I think that's it for today's haunted housekeeping. That was short. Okay.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 5:09

That's always good.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 5:10

So I know you guys are dying to hear all about one of your favorite movies, so I won't delay it any longer. Today we are switching things up a little and we're gonna talk more about the history and making of the movie before we go into our thoughts. Are you ready?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 5:26

Always ready.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 5:27

Okay, so Trick 'r Treat was released on December 9 2007. It is an American anthology horror film written and directed by Michael Dougherty. It ties together for Halloween horror stories with a common element. Sam, who appears in each of the stories whenever a character breaks Halloween traditions. So the movie went through several different names before they decided on Trick 'r Treat. Some of the ideas were season Greetings, Halloween of Terrors, Jack o' Lantern, and October The 31st. And there's actually a 1982 movie named Trick or Treats, and they ended up using Trick 'r Treat to make sure it didn't infringe on the copyright of the 1982 film Trick or Treats.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:13

We should check out that one that 1982 movie.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:16

Yeah, I was thinking that. I like that idea. Oh, and then maybe we could do like a Trick 'r Treat versus Trick or Treats

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:24

That'd be Awesome.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:26

All right. So I actually was really surprised to learn a lot about the things that I'm going to share with you guys today. So Sam was actually inspired by a short animation that the director Michael Dougherty did in his time at NYU. Wait, was it NYU?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:45

Yeah. He went to NYU film school.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:46

Yes NYU film school, and that short film? Is it a short film?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:51

Yeah, it's a I think it was one of his projects a short animation.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:55


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:55

Somebody put together.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:56

And that one was called Season's Greeting. And it was released back in 1996. So Michael wanted to create a character that represented Halloween, like Santa represents Christmas. And throughout history, he kept seeing like a pumpkin headed character kept popping up. So he decided to develop that character into the idea of Sam. So the history of Halloween dates back 2000 years ago, in ancient Britain, Ireland and Northern Europe. And there was the Celtic celebration of Samhain on October 31, which meant summer's end. So Sam is actually named after Samhain, which is spelled S A M H A I N.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 7:43

I thought there was genius I though that was pretty cool that he got the name from Samhain.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 7:48

I know.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 7:49

A lot of people know about so and I didn't even know about it until recently until I think. The book right. Well, Spooky Little Halloween. She kind of mentioned it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 8:00

Oh, yes.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 8:02

Oh, I didn't know that. I mean, I knew that there. There was like a rich history about Halloween. Like it existed forever. But I know that the the details until like, recently,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 8:12

yes. And that's actually. So there's actually a lot of history and details and research that went into them creating this film. But like Rudy mentioned, we don't really know a lot of that history. And I don't want to like come on here and tell you guys like tons of incorrect facts. But I want you to know that we definitely plan on doing a history of Halloween, eventually, when we can really like bringing our entire team together to do that kind of research, because we want to go all out as always on that.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 8:44

I know like bits and pieces of it. But yeah, I think we need to kind of do a deep dive. So when we talk about it, we don't sound silly.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 8:51

Yes, exactly. So we're not gonna talk too much about it. But I will say if you're interested in learning more about the history that the movie drew from specifically, I highly recommend watching the special feature on the blu ray called Trick 'r Treat the Lore and Legends of Halloween, because that's kind of where I grabbed some of my information for this episode. And there's tons of cool little Halloween knowledge in that, I guess. feature it's kind of like a little documentary.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:19

Yeah. It's like a little feature about the making the making of and like the influence of Halloween on the movie.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:27

Yes. And so something that I really liked though, was Michael Dougherty. Talked about Sam a little bit. And so Sam has kind of just followed him throughout his work for so many years. And he really wanted to develop him into this like mascot for Halloween, like we mentioned, and so nobody knows for sure but because of the connection to Samhain and the name everyone thinks that Sam is about 2000 years old, like as old as Halloween is right. But Michael Dougherty wanted specifically for a child to play because he wanted him to really feel like a real trick or treater in the scenes.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:06


Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:06

And he didn't think

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:07

That makes sense. Yeah,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:08

Yeah. That like a short adult person could like recreate like the stumbling like the way kids walk.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:14

Yeah kids have like this. This kind of looks like they're developing how to walk like an adult and stuff.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:21


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:22

So, yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:24

Yeah, I thought it was pretty interesting. And I think that that's kind of also why people think Sam is so cute because on top of like his outfit, he has that like, Oh, he's so cute the way he walks to him. Yeah, it added to his character.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:40

And it'd be really hard to have a scene where you have an adult, even if it's a smaller adult, grabbing the candy, it would look like an adult hand. Like, the first time Sam grabs a candy. It's like super cute, because you could tell it's a kid.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:54


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:54

His costume is kind of bigger than him. Almost. So odd. So yeah, it had to be played by kid.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:01

And I have to add to like, I swear one of these days, guys, I promise you I am gonna dress to Sam because I'm all about comfort. And the costume looks like the most cute and comfortable costume to wear ever.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:14

Yeah, no, I think about it. It is because if it's cold, you can wear like this whole, like onesy right?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:22

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:23

And then the mask, so won't get so hot. It's also a mesh, so you can get some air into it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:28


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:29

So yeah, it's perfect for Halloween, and a comfortable Halloween.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:33

And I think for once my stubby little hands work to my I could hold that lollipop like a kid. Okay, so, before we get into our thoughts and experience with the movie, I wanted to also talk about the comics. So you all have seen the comic pages at the beginning and end of the movie. So my best guess and assumption is that they are a tribute to the original short animation Seasons Greeting. And it made me wonder if the comic came before or after, and it in fact came after. So in October 2009, the graphic novel was released, which was a retelling of the movie. But then later in October 2015 Trick 'r Treat days of the dead was released and this comic had four brand new stories called Seed Corn Maiden, Echoes and Monster Mash. These comics revolve around a grandfather teaching a girl about Halloween traditions and stories from the past to show her she doesn't have to be afraid of Halloween. They consist of witches, ghosts, ghouls, and so many other monsters including humans. And Sam is in all four stories. And in the comics, Seed, Sam is actually called upon by a witch in the year 1640. So last month Trick or Treat Omnibus was released for the 10th anniversary, which included the first original graphic novel from 2009. And the four new stories added in 2015 as a collection.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:00

Why don't we have that? Where is that? That's not in my hands, I need that right now.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:06

I keep wanting to get it, but it's also like I know we're never gonna read it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:10

But we it's a collector's item. Yeah, we need to go to our local comic book store and go see what they have before. Any before it gets sold out again.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:20

Yeah, you're right. The more we talked about it, the more I do want it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:24


Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:25

Uh, all right. So yeah, if you guys are interested in snagging it. Um, I think

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:30

Or snagging it for us, whichever.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:34

I think it's still available if you guys want to hunt it down. Okay, so let's talk about our experience and thoughts of the movie. A little bit of background for those of you who weren't on our season one wrap party on Instagram Live. We had never seen this movie. I think I personally just thought it was like some B movie and I wasn't sure if it was like worth watching.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:58

Mm hmm. I always thought it was a like a slasher movie with a little kid as like, the killer and he's like going around killing people at parties and stuff for Halloween.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 14:11


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 14:12

Yeah. And just never really interested me. And not always, but I just never watched it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 14:16

Yeah, I don't even know what I thought it was about. I wasn't sure at all. Um, so what? Let's kind of talk about our first reaction since we had never seen it. What did you think about it the first time we saw it?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 14:30

Um, oh, I was kind of not not shocked. But it took me by surprise because I didn't know it was an anthology, right. And I like you know, Tales from the Crypt. The Twilight Zone like, Are you afraid of the dark, those kind of anthology shows.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 14:54


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 14:55

And I got excited because I'm like, Okay, I'm going to see multiple stories play out and it's gonna be fun. There's like one central character even like at the beginning when they have like the comic books and stuff. You know, Creep Show has that Tales from the Tent. Tales from the Tales from the Crypt has that. They have like, the comic books. They include the comic books and like the intros and stuff. So I thought it was cool. I was kind of disappointed in myself that I hadn't seen it earlier. Because the character was so cute. And he was just like, I need to go out and buy this character somehow.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 15:31

Oh, thats right.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 15:32

We went crazy looking for the character,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 15:34

We need to talk about that. I forgot about that. So we saw the movie. And I think about halfway through. I guess before we can get into that. Let me give my perspective really quick. I wasn't sure how to feel going into the movie. Because I think everyone had built it up so much that I was like, This is gonna be an amazing Halloween watch right now. And then it just threw me off with the vomit scene, which we'll get into.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:02

Oh yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:03

But yeah, I wasn't sure where what was happening with the movie. It was a little hard for me to follow.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:09

What did we What did we do that day? We were

Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:11

It was our Live Party.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:12

That's right. Yeah,

The Ghoul Mates 16:13

We were tired.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:14


Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:14

But Rudy right away was like, I need to take a picture of him. So why don't you tell them? The witch hunt you sent us on to get Sam?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:26

Yeah, well, I mean, once the movie was done, I was like, super excited about it. And I was like, you know, I want to like photograph this guy. I want to get, you know, I want to go to Spirit and see if they have something. And we went. Actually not I was wrong about that. You had seen him at Spirit once. And I had seen him once, too, but I didn't think anything of it, because I hadn't seen the movie yet.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:49


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:50

And then I remembered there was this. This couple and they were paying, and they had like a little dancing, Sam. And I was like, I want that. Like later on. I was like, you know, I need that. Like, I know, like, I know exactly what I want to wit to like four or five different Spirits looking for him. We could not find him.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:09

In one day

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:10

In one day.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:11

And then I found so this whole time we both thought we wanted the same Sam.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:17

Oh, yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:17

And then we finally got to a store that had both Sam's. So both of us were like, Oh my god, they have him. And we were like, wait, that's not the one.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:26

Yeah, we were like I told her like, Oh, I found them is like, Oh, I found them too. And then and then she turned around, and she had a totally different Sam in her hand. And I did that I did. And then we bought we ended up buying both of them. Which I was like, super happy about. And then we I think we stopped at Walmart for something I forgot what we stopped our Target.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:49

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:50

And we usually go to the electronics section to look for like different toys. We got a lot of our NECA stuff from Walmart and Target. And lo and behold, there was a NECA of Sam.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:05


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 18:06

Trick 'r Treat. So we're like, Damn, we were like on a Sam overload. So we ended up buying that one. But we had to like return one of them because we had too much Sam already. So yeah. We're really happy with the little figure. And he's like, so cool. Because he has like a little he has like different masks.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:25


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 18:26

And then he has different weapons, but I

Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:28

And the pumpkin is in it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 18:29

And the pumpkins in it, too. But I have him on our display case with his little candy cane. Or a lollipop.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:37


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 18:37

Candy cane. Get out of here.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:40

And like for me, the one I was on the hunt for is the cute plush becuase he's freaking cute. So we ended up returning the one that dances.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 18:50

Unfortunately, yeah, we had to return that guy. Um, we almost kept on losing the plush one though, cuz Bruce kept on thinking it was a toy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:58

I know, we had to end up putting him like on a shelf, which makes me sad because I don't get to like cuddle it. Alright, so yes, that kind of shows our initial thoughts on the movie. I was still kind of like, I don't know how I feel about the movie. But I loved Sam the character because he was super cute.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 19:18


Ghost Hostess Mandy 19:18

And Rudy had to happen for photos. So we kind of were like, I don't know, I think we were kind of like, it was cool. I don't know. But we knew that you guys really liked the movie.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 19:32

I liked the movie.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 19:35

But were you crazy about it?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 19:37

You know what? At first I wasn't I but I did like the same character. But then. I don't know if you notice, but I've seen it a couple of times. Like I'll have it in the background playing. Yeah. So like I'm starting to slowly like like it more and more and more.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 19:51

Yeah, so for me that's kind of what happened. I think I just the first time it was too much for me to process.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 19:59

Yeah, there's a lot happening.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 20:00

I was tired. And I was like, What is going on? Like, I can't keep up with all of this. But then when we saw it the second time, I wasn't tired, fresh mind. And I was like, oh, and you can appreciate so many things more. Once you know what happens, I think, like I started to appreciate all of the clues they gave at the beginning, right as far as like the werewolves go, like when the Cinderella girl knocks on her dressing room door right on what's her name of Anna Paquin? dressing room door, she's like all huff and puff. And I'm like, Oh, that was like a little What is it called? Foreshadowing.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 20:38

Foreshadowing. There's actually a little foreshadowing. But before that, actually, if you watch the movie, I think you see most of the characters intersect with each other.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 20:48

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 20:49

Like the the opening shot is the kid that gets killed by the serial killer guy,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 20:56


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 20:57

So he's there. And then he's walking and then you tilt up. Or yeah, the you tilt the camera tilts up, and they show the serial killer for like a split second, they go back to the candy bag. And then they tilt up again. And they show the girls the werewolves.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:11

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:11

And then the last one is the kid. Kicks like a half beaten up pumpkin that's on the floor. Right? And that's to the kids that mess with the little witch girl.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:26

With Rhonda.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:26


Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:27

Yeah, my favorite character.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:29

So the the very beginning of the film, you see every single character that you're going to be seeing throughout the whole movie, or reference to every scene that's going to take place,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:38


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:39

It's very, like quick and subtle. I didn't even notice it until like a couple of days ago.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:44

Yeah. And that's because you've seen it a few times.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:47

Oh, yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:47

So I really think that, like that's one of the fun things about this movie is like no matter how many times you see it, you find something new every time you watch it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:56


Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:57

And so going back to my new thoughts on it, I guess, or my evolved thoughts on it, I guess, after learning how much research and history went into them making the film, I think it made me appreciate it a lot more. Because hearing how much Michael Dougherty loved Halloween just made me appreciate so much that like it wasn't just some filmmaker putting together like a Halloween movie. It was like he genuinely loved Halloween for so many years. And he wanted this to kind of be like a tribute to the history of the holiday. So I think I think for me, that's when I kind of like hearing the behind the scenes, and then seeing it a second time and understanding what was happening this time. I was like, No wonder this has become like such a huge staple in the Halloween community. Because it just represents Halloween so well.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 22:55


Ghost Hostess Mandy 22:55

And I think we're gonna get more into this later. But I love that what it does is it forces people to respect the holiday.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:04

Exactly, yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 23:06

So do you want to kind of go into specific scenes that stuck out to us?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:11

Sure, we can do that.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 23:12

Okay, so for me, I kind of mentioned this earlier, the vomit scene was kind of like the thing that instantly was like, I don't know, this movie is what I was expecting.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:25

It was pretty, it's pretty hardcore. I saw the special features. And the thing that popped into my head was The Exorcist because they use a similar technique for their vomit scene. And it's been around for a good while actually, I think maybe The Exorcist kind of pioneered and had, I guess, gag, but the way it works is that the camera is going to be on to the side of the actor. So you're going to only see like a profile shot.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 23:56


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:57

And then they have a tube that kind of wraps around the other side of the face. And then here's the thing that goes inside the mouth. And then there's like a nozzle that shoots out.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:09


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:10

So that's why it makes it look so real. Like it's coming out. It's not coming from the side. It's coming. It's going into the mouth. And then and then it's spraying from outside the mouth. From inside the mouth. Sorry.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:19


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:20

But it was it was. It's pretty gnarly. It's pretty crazy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:23

Yeah. And I think the actor mentioned the kid that played that. That role.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:28


Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:28

Mentioned that it like, doesn't taste gross, but it's still kind of like icky doing it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:34

Yeah, I think a few saying was kind of like chocolate syrup. But I'm pretty sure that to use like, like a thickening agent, maybe like cornstarch or something, but it's not gonna taste, it's not going to taste good, but it's not gonna taste gross.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:46


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:47

But yeah, that's, I mean, I'm pretty sure they had to do it a couple of times. You got to think okay, he's, he did it once for the wide shot and I think I'm gonna do the close ups, but they have to like clean all that up.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:59

Oh that's true

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:01

And reset everything. And if he messed up on the wide shots, it's gonna take even longer to like, clean all that stuff up.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:07

I wonder if they had like changes of clothes to for the people?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:11

Yeah, I think like in most movies, they'll have like multiple costumes for that reason

Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:16

Of the same outfit? That's crazy things you don't think about like, yeah, it's I don't know. It's just cool. Let's see what else. So for me both times watching it. I love the movie now. But I think for me every time the movie really like takes off and turns around for me at the bus massacre scene.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:38

Oh, one quick little side note. The car from the 80s movie, Christine makes an appearance in that scene.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:48

Oh, yeah, I kind of heard about that. But I actually don't really know Christine.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:52

Yeah, it's a movie about I think it's a Stephen King book that they made into a movie.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:58

Uh huh.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:58

And it's about this. I think it's either the cars possessed or like, there's a girl ghosts in it. But it's in love with this guy. And the car goes around killing people that wrongs the guy that the car is in love with.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 26:13


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 26:14

Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 26:16

It sounds like corny, but really interesting. At the same time,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 26:20

you know, it's, I was probably, I think the last time I saw it, I was probably like, in middle school. But it's it's a pretty good movie.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 26:28

we'll add it to the very, very long list.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 26:30

And we'll watch maximum overdrive too that's also about killer cars.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 26:35

Oh, the only thing I know about killer cars is Joy Ride.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 26:39

Joy Ride. You know, that bus scene is pretty cool. Because I like the costumes that the kids have. Yes, they remind me so much of my childhood and my childhood. The thing was vacuform masks, and they're like, this heated up plastic that is put over a mold. And it's like, vacuumed, tight. And like every kid had the those masks like in the 80s, and they're like, if you weren't careful. They were like super sharp to like the edges. So they were also dangerous. But then I had mentioned this before, but they also came usually with some kind of like plastic costume.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:23


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 27:24

And it's usually like some kind of like, almost like a poncho, you just throw on a tie at the waist stuff, but I really liked the devil in the bus. Because he's like, super tall. And then his like, like, his mask is kind of big. It's just odd because it doesn't look like a real person. I don't know if you remember him. He's in the back.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:44

I don't to be honest.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 27:46

But yeah, he was funny. He's all he's really goofy. Um, I like that Dracula too. He's the one that drives everybody off the cliff.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:54

Ah, okay.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 27:55

His mask was pretty cool, too.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:57

Yeah, I think in general, the costumes were really cool throughout the movie. Yeah, they were all pretty good. kind of touched on like all kinds of characters like from the Disney princesses.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:08


Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:08

Like your classic vampire.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:11

Yeah. Vampire, Witches, Werewolves.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:17


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:18

Devils. I think there was a rabbit in there too.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:22

And a robot

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:23

And a robot. Yeah so I mean Michael Dougherty does talk about that how everybody's been a robot in their life for Halloween. And it's always like, cumbersome and annoying. But yeah, saw that with the first character. She's a robot, first victim. And I don't think I was ever a robot. But I could see how it's like, annoying to move around as robot.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:44

It's bulky.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:44

Very bulky. I actually wanted to be the robot from what's that band called? L A was it LMFO

Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:52


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:53

There you go. Cuz I knew one of the music videos. There's like a robot that's dancing. And I was I always wanted to be that robot.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:00

I could see you wanting to do that.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 29:02

But I just never got around to it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:04

Yeah. And then. I don't know. So like, after that scene, when the kids play that prank on Rhonda.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 29:13

Oh, yeah, that's a great scene. By the way.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:15

It's done really well. But what really sticks out to me is like what a savage she is at the end.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 29:23

It was pretty hardcore. Um, when she's going down that elevator, and you see like the pumpkins floating around and slowly extinguishing. Oh, so good. That was a really great scene, wherever. I don't know who the DP is. But it was like great. It was lit really well and it was just like, Oh, that's so cool. I wouldn't ever like thought of that. But yeah, Rhonda don't mess with Rhondas is on Halloween.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:48

Well, I at first i when we were watching the scene. I've felt like they did such a good job of making you feel like how terrible it was for her like with the glasses breaking like you just felt Like, oh my god, like what a poor little girl like my heart was breaking for her because it was like, so scary. And then you never see, like strong female characters like this. I don't think like, where she was just like, like you think she's just gonna break down and like cave and then she hits that button and she's like, screw you guys.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 30:25

You know what it reminded me of and it just a light bulb just went off in my head. It reminds me of Carrie.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 30:33

Oh, yes.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 30:34

You know, people like the trick hwe into thinking that she's normal, or she's like, part of the group and they want to befriend her and but they only do it just to mess with her. And then she ends up killing everybody. So it was kind of like the same thing.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 30:49


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 30:50

Cuz like Ron does character, you know, she doesn't have a lot of friends. So I'm assuming she has like, she doesn't have any social skills. So she's awkward. Like when she's talking about Samhain? Yeah. And the kids like, what? Like, what are you talking about? and Carrie is the same way. You know, she doesn't have a lot of friends. Her mom controls everything. So she's awkward. And she doesn't have social skills either. So, you know, you kind of like as that kid you want to belong in and want to, like, be a part of something.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 31:25

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 31:26

And then when it's like thrown in your face, of course, you're gonna like, fuck those people. Like I'm just gonna like, why even try?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 31:33

Yeah, it's just like, I think it takes a lot of like, I don't know, not courage, but it's just like it's not easy to A. like willingly be okay with knowing that you're gonna let somebody get hurt, I guess. And then B. to like, really be like, I deserve better than this.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 31:55

Yeah, exactly.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 31:56

So then after Ronday- Rhonday. After Rhonda, there's another powerful female scene. The shocking scene with the werewolves.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:09

Yeah, I didn't see that coming. I thought that the guy that's the victim of the werewolves, I thought he was a vampire. turned her. And then she killed him. Oh, and then she was gonna turn everybody at the party.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 32:25


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:26

But when they when they show him I was like, What? What's going on here? Like, I didn't understand what was happening. Until like, they started like,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 32:34


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:35

Transforming is like, Oh, shit. Like, I didn't see that coming. It was it was pretty. It's pretty good.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 32:40

Yeah, I don't know about you. But I had never seen female werewolves before in a horror movie. And so I thought that that was really cool. And I loved how they like chose costumes that made them look like your typical damsel in distress like Princess, Little Red Riding Hood. And then it like, they kind of use that to their advantage like all these cliches towards those costumes,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:05


Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:05

To like lure in their victims.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:08

Their prey.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:09

And bam. They're werewolves.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:12

Werewolves, not swear-wolves.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:14


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:15

But you know what? When I'm when I'm thinking about it, I thought it was clever how she kept on talking about her first time.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:22


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:22

And then she's like, a virgin or whatever.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:25

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:26

But like, if this is her first time, killing and eating a person like, so. Somebody else has been killing stuff for her and she eats it?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:38


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:39

cuz like.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:39

Cuz, Isn't that how dogs eat too?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:43

Well, I mean, wolves, they have to they go and hunt their own food. And they eat it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:48

Yeah, but I would assume sometimes they like one of them, catches the prey, and then they all come and eat.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:54

Um, I don't know. I'm not a zoologist or anything. So maybe. But I mean, I would assume she'd have to, like early on as a kid learn how to kill something and eat it. I mean, that's what wolves do in the wild.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:07

Or maybe are werewolves like vampires. No, not vampires. Like witches were like you don't transform until your like 18th birthday or something?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:16

I don't know. No, I've never heard of that. I think if you get bitten or scratched by a werewolf you're a werewolf, and that's it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:21

Oh, maybe that's what happened to her.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:23


Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:24

Maybe she wasn't a werewolf until recently.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:26

Maybe? I don't know. I mean, I just just odd that she's like, barely hunting for her prey.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:34

Yeah, I get you. I guess I hadn't really thought about it until you brought it up. No, it is kind of weird. Were there any other specific scenes that stuck out to you in the movie?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:45

I'm not really I mean, it's it's all solid. The only thing I'm looking forward to is a sequel to the movie. I know he did sequel.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:53

I think that Michael Dougherty had confirmed a few years ago that they were making one but apparently like nothing has come of it

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:00


Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:01

So I'm not sure what's happening with that. I'll have to do some more research to see if I can get the nitty gritty detail.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:08

I think he's too busy with Godzilla.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:10

Is he working on Godzilla?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:12

Yeah, I think he's working. Or he did the last one King of the Monsters and I think he's doing King Kong Vs. Godzilla.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:19

Oh, what a spooky dude.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:21

Exactly. Um, so he's kind of like on the bubble of being like one of those big directors. He's He's JJ Abrams-esque,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:31


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:31

So yeah, I think he's a good director. He's got like, a lot of like, little things here and there.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:37

Yeah, it sounds like everything I've heard he's worked on. I'm a fan of so.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:40


Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:41

That was pretty cool. All right. So before we move on to

Ghoulster 35:45

Fables from out Familiar.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:47

I thought we couldn't end the episode without talking about the actual Trick 'r Treat rules.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:54


Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:54

Yeah. Cuz I felt like I mentioned earlier, what I love about the movie is it like forces people to respect the holiday. And it's kind of like, everyone should embrace the spirit of Halloween. And I feel like Sam's kind of like the enforcer out like, forcing people to freaking trick or treat, and have fun and respect Jack 'o lanterns. And I mean, that's my favorite part about the movie in general.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:22

What's the equivalent of? I know what it is? Santa Claus gives you a lump of coal if you're naughty.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:30

That's true.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:31

And Sam just slit your throat.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:34

With a sharp lollipop.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:35

With a sharp lollipop.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:37

Okay, so the first rule is always hand out candy to trick or treaters. Because that's frickin lame. If you don't want to give candy, under normal circumstances, of course.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:50

Or have boxes of raisins. Did you ever go to a house? I gave out boxes of raisins?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:55

I don't think so.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:57

Back in the day, that was like the worst thing you could do.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:59

That should be like a asterix at the bottom of the rule. Always handout good candy. Okay, the second one is always wearing a costume. Then we have never blow out a jack o' lantern before midnight.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 37:18

Do you think that was made up for the movie? Or that's an actual thing?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 37:22

I am not sure. But I feel like they might have mentioned it in that special feature that I saw.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 37:28


Ghost Hostess Mandy 37:28

So I'll have to get back to you on that one. And then the next one is always respect the dead. And I kind of know the history on that one. It is so October 31. According to Rhonda in the special features

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 37:46


Ghost Hostess Mandy 37:47

She says October 31 is the one night when the blurred line between the living and the dead is thinnest. So back in Samhain times, right? It's not the proper way to say it. They believe that the dad would walk the earth on Halloween night,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 38:08


Ghost Hostess Mandy 38:08

And that's kind ofwhy people actually wear costumes to so that you could conceal yourself and like blend in. Right so it's kind of like a in Hocus Pocus. I had to bring Hocus Pocus up where the Sanderson sisters come like back to life. And they see like all of the ghouls and goblins and they're like they think that they're real.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 38:28

Oh, that's right.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 38:29

And the concept is like you trick the dead into thinking that you're one of them. And then we have always check your candy.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 38:39

Oh yeah, the good old check candy thing. I remember growing up, you know, everybody's parents had a story about some tragedy that befell some kid that didn't check their candy. And their parents would check the candy too. I remember stories about kids getting like LED laced, LED.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:04

Lit candy.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:05

Some lity candy, some LSD laced candies. And back in the day, people would go fruits too.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:16

Oh, yeah.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:17

And one of them was one of the things they told you was that there might be a razor blade in the apple. It was either an apple or Candy Apple but they always say like to check the apples because it would have razor blades in them. Like that was like the urban legend.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:32

How Okay, question. How do you put a razor blade in an apple?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:38

Um, you just normal razor blades are super sharp. You just toss it in there. Just push it in.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:43

Oh, push it in.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:44

Yeah, we should do an experiment and see which one?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:48

If you can tell if theres a razor blade?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:50


Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:50

Oy that's creepy.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:52

And be like, hey, which of these candies has LSD? Here you go Mandy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:57

That's terrible. And then the next one is never take down your decorations before November 1. And wait, sorry, were you gonna say something?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 40:10

I know a lot of people that celebrate Christmas that don't take their decorations. year round sometimes. Yeah, because people are lazy when it comes to digging down decorations at our house. We're gonna have our Halloween decorations up all the time. So we don't have to worry about that.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 40:27

I know. Right? Okay, and then the last one never hurt the innocent. So Doesn't it sound like if everyone in the world followed these rules, we'd live like in this paradise of Halloween?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 40:42

I think so. Cuz there'd be candy all the time. But you'd have to check and there'd be jack o' lanterns everywhere. And you know, you're not supposed to hurt the innocent. So you're everybody's like respecting everybody and just having a good time. So I think that Halloween year round would bring peace to the world.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 41:01

And that is exactly why the Halloween community loves Sam on top of him being super cute because he lives in a world where he wants everyone to just follow these simple rules.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 41:14


Ghost Hostess Mandy 41:14

They're simple.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 41:15

Would you consider him the Santa Claus of Halloween?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 41:21

I mean, I guess so. Because he sees everything.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 41:26

He's always checking in twice.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 41:27


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 41:28

Actually, I know who the Santa Claus is of Halloween

Ghost Hostess Mandy 41:31


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 41:32

Mr. David S Pumpkins. Is the Santa Claus of Halloween,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 41:38

but he's not enforcing anything or bringing presents. Well I mean, Sam isn't neither but he is a present itself.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 41:47

He's his own thing.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 41:51

All right. So I think that's a good overview of Trick 'r Treat. I will say that I'm gonna be honest with you guys. I don't feel like we know the movie enough yet because we're just discovering it and I think later down the road. I want to do another episode. That like goes more into things.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 42:11

Hopefully by the end they'll have a sequel.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 42:14

Or more information on a sequel.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 42:16

Michael Dougherty just reach out to me. I'll put together a sequel for you.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 42:21

Yes, exactly. TRT Part Two by TGM.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 42:28

TRT Part Two

Ghost Hostess Mandy 42:31

What would you put in a sequel to this movie?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 42:35

Um, I would actually do what one of the stories I would actually divide it I wouldn't have like I have actual stories in different places. Because like this one that takes place in one place.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 42:49


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 42:50

But I would do one story like what I thought Hubie Halloween was going to be like, a story about a boy that cried wolf and nobody believed him. And then there was like a lot of monsters and he has to save the town from a bunch of monsters.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 43:03

And that boys, Sam?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 43:06

No, Sam shows up in the in the movie. But one of the stories would be about a boy that cried wolf.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 43:13

Oh, okay.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 43:15

So he has to like save the day. I would want a good which story too.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 43:20


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 43:21

Like a solid witch story. Um, you know, everybody loves Hocus Pocus. I think we need more witch stuff.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 43:28

Yeah, I agree.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 43:29

You know, we need more witch stuff. I don't think we need any more slasher stuff. Really? There's a lot of slasher stuff ready. But I don't know,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 43:38

Like more of a play on the vintage Halloween characters.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 43:41

Yeah, I think so. Maybe even like a almost like a what's it called? Kind of like a Christmas Carol. So like one character. He doesn't like Halloween. He's like fuck Halloween. And then he's visited by all these like, ghosts. The chosen.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:00

Ghost of Halloween's past.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:01

Yeah, yeah, the Halloween's past or some type of like deal with like Groundhog Day. Like he's stuck in the same Halloween every year. And he can't get out of it until he starts to appreciate what Halloween brings to people.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:14

I've got it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:16

Take it away.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:17

Um, okay. It's like a groundhog day one where he keeps getting killed by Sam. Because he doesn't understand why until he learns he has to follow all the rules. Boom.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:29

Copywritten. Yeah, that's, that's a really good idea. I like that one, too. You know what? We're gonna work on our own anthology series in the future.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:39

Yeah, that would be awesome. So fun.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:42

Oh, yeah. And it won't be called Trick 'r Treat. It's gonna be called Trick AND Treat.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:49

Yeah, just trying to do something clever but I got nothing.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:53

I'm the creative one in this group.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:55

Are you?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:56

No you're the creative one. You're the one you are the punny one. But you You're the one that got us here creatively.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 45:02

Oh, thanks, boo.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 45:04

You're welcome baby.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 45:05

Great minds work well together.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 45:08

Yes they do.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 45:09

Okay, so are we ready for today's

Ghoulster 45:13

Fables from out Familiar.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 45:16

I guess I've been like, after working on tales and all the other stuff I've been spooked over the last couple of days. So yeah, let's do it.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 45:25

Okay, well, today's is a little different. So it might spook you, but then maybe you'll be like, Oh, that was a fun little story. I don't know. We'll see. So today's

Ghoulster 45:35

Fables from our Familiar.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 45:37

is about Black Eyed kids. So Brian Bethel was a journalist for the local paper in Abilene, Texas. The Abilene Reporter News. He had an encounter with black eyed kids, also known as BEKs, which started a new wave of sightings. Black Eyed Kids are said to have different origins depending on the culture. Brian wrote his experience out and sent it to a group of friends in an email list. It eventually blew up on the internet getting him calls and media attention. When the story first leaked, he was eager to respond to all correspondence, but after a few years, he grew bored and tired of the same questions and stopped replying. He eventually got a request from a TV show to retell his story. No compensation was involved. Brian never wanted to use Abilene Reporter News to share his story because he wanted to keep his paranormal encounters separate from his award winning journalism career. His boss finally convinced him to write the story for the paper in 2013. The following story is pulled from the article, Brian Bethel recounts his possible paranormal encounter with BEKs published in the Abilene Reporter News on April 13 2013.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 46:51

I'm not gonna lie. When you started talking about this, I only think I can think of was Black Eyed Peas. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It's Yeah, it's uh, this is gonna be interesting because a reporter from a new station is doing the story. So yes, you know, it's their job to go out there and like, turn every stone and try to figure out what's going on. So I'm really excited to hear what he had to say.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 47:24

Yes, and this is, so this one's gonna be a little different. Like I said, because it's in the first person. And it's his story. I pulled this from one of his articles.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 47:32

Okay, cool. correction.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 47:34

Oscar pulled this from one of his articles. I can't be taking credit over here.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 47:37

The familiar. Mr. Gatto?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 47:40

Yes. Okay, ready,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 47:43


Ghost Hostess Mandy 47:44

Near as I can figure this happened in 1996. I've managed to pin down the date that far. I feel like it happened in the spring or summer since I remember wearing a pair of shorts, but one of my great regrets is not recording the actual date of the event. I had gone down to the former site of Camelot Communications one of the area's original internet providers to pay my bill. At the time Camelot was located on North First Street near the movie theater in the shadow of what is now Chase, then Bank One. I was using the light of the theaters marquee to write out my check, which I plan to put in camera lots night drops lot involved in my work. I never heard them approach. There was a knock on my driver's side window. Two young boys somewhere between nine to 12 years old and dressed in hooded pullovers stood outside. I cracked the window a bit anticipating a speal for money. But I was immediately gripped by an in comprehensible soul racking fear. I had no idea why. A conversation ensued between one boy a somewhat suave, olive skinned curly headed young man and myself. The other a redheaded, pale skinned, freckled young man stayed in the background. The spokesman, as I've come to think of him, told me that he and his companion needed a ride. They wanted to see a movie Mortal Kombat, but they had left their money at their mother's house. Could I give them a ride? plausible enough, but all throughout this exchange, the irrational fear continued and grew. I had no reason to be frightened to these two boys, but I was terribly. After a bit more conversation I looked up at the theater marquee and down at the digital clock display in my car. Mortal Kombat last show of the night had already started. By the time I could have driven the boys anywhere and back it would practically have been over. All the while the spokesman uttered assurances. It wouldn't take long they were just two little kids. They didn't have a gun or anything. The last part was a bit unnerving. I noticed that my hand had strayed toward the lock on my door. I pulled it away perhaps a bit too violently. In the short time I had broken the gaze of the spokesman, something had changed and my mind exploded in a vortex of all consuming terror. Both boys stared at me with cold black eyes. The sort of eyes one sees these days on aliens are bargain basement vampires on late night television. soulless orbs like to great swaths of starless night. I did what I feel any rational person would do. I full on freaked out inside while trying to appear completely sane and calm. I apologize to the kids. I made whatever excuses came to mind all of them designed to get me the hell out of there. Fast. The aura of fear was now a palpable black hanging thing, almost as if reality itself was warping around me. I wrap my hand around the gearshift through the current reverse and began to roll up the window apologizing All the while, my fear must have been evident. The boy in the back wore a look of confusion. The spokesman bangs sharply on the window as I rolled it up his words full of anger echo in my mind to even today. We can't come in unless you tell us It's okay. Let us in. I drove out of the parking lot in blind fear. And I'm surprised I didn't sideswipe a car or two along the way. I stole a quick look in my rearview mirror before peeling out into the night. The boys were gone. Even if they had run. I don't believe there was a place they could have hidden from view that quickly.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 51:35

Hell no. No. Not from anywhere at night by myself with any kids or anybody that I don't know. I'm not staying there. I'm out of there. No, thank you.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 51:49

Was it nighttime?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 51:51

I'm assuming it's nighttime.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 51:54

Yeah, I don't think he clarifies what time of day it is. But I mean, he said the last showing so I'm assuming it's the evening.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 52:00

I think that if it was during the day, he would have seen the eyes right away

Ghost Hostess Mandy 52:04


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 52:05

Yeah. So I think it was it was nighttime.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 52:08

Yeah, okay.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 52:12


Ghost Hostess Mandy 52:14

Okay, so, can the BEKs come in? Nobody really knows what happens when you let a black eyed kid into your vehicle or home. All stories come from people whose eerie feelings made them flee from the children. Theories about the black eyed kids are that they are vampires, aliens or of demonic origin. Some people believe they are sent to cause harm once they're inside, it will lead to your death either by killing you or causing sickness. Brian believes he would no longer be alive if he had given the black eyed kids a ride.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 52:49

That's hardcore. Um, I don't know. I don't even know if I could debunk that. Or what?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 52:56

Cuz you'd probably be like, those are contacts. I'm not scared of you.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 53:00

Well, I mean, there is a I think there's a medical condition that causes that like it's a real thing.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 53:07

No way.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 53:08

Yeah, it's actually it's blood in your eyeballs. But it's a disease that kind of triggers like,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 53:17

Oh my god. Sorry.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 53:21

Did you get scared?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 53:23

Oh my god, you guys. I'm so sorry. I had my hands down. And when the dog licked me, and I didn't know they were down there. And it freaked me out. That was so Creepy.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 53:38

They've done that to me couple of times. while putting together Tales, I'm like, oh, what was that? But yeah, it's a medical condition that causes your blood to fill up in the eyes and make it look like it's black.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 53:53

But completely black?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 53:55


Ghost Hostess Mandy 53:56

Interesting. We're gonna need to do you need to do more research on that?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 54:00


Ghost Hostess Mandy 54:01

Because why is it always kids coming up to people and asking to be let in?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 54:05

Because kids are creepy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 54:08

Oh my God.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 54:09

Kids are really creepy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 54:10

Okay, so I actually

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 54:12

Look at Sam. He's creepy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 54:15

He's cute.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 54:16

He's cute. But if you saw him in real life at night. I don't know. Where would you be like, Oh my God. He's so cute. Let me let him into the house.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 54:26

Yeah, you're right.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 54:27


Ghost Hostess Mandy 54:30

Okay, so this is the trick or treat episode, so I have an extra treat. Okay, so as Halloween is getting closer, and we're all having fun. Oscar actually found a fictional encounter with BEKs posted on Reddit. And we know this is a little different from what what what we've been doing, but we thought it would be a fun story to share on this trick or treat episode because it's like an actual Trick or Treat story.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 54:58


Ghost Hostess Mandy 54:59

The story is called a Halloween night encounter and it was posted by Reddit user SarahBeth11. So it had been a slow Trick or Treat night in our neighborhood that evening, which is pretty odd in itself. We usually have kids from different areas dropped off in hours and have a constant parade at our door. That night, I'd say we'd had no more than eight or 10 groups of kids come by the entire night. It was about 9:30pm and my husband and I were sitting in our family room watching some of those ghost shows based on supposedly actual events. Like I said, I don't believe in that stuff. But I do like a ghost. A good ghost story now and then and it was Halloween and all. We hadn't had any activity at the door in over half an hour and it was getting late. So we decided to turn the porch light off in that our dog Chloe out of her crate. Chloe is an American Bulldog and is very docile. We only put her in her crate because we were afraid she tried to get out to play with all the kids. And I didn't want to have her Chase. I didn't want to have to chase her down the street. Also, we didn't want her to scare any of the kids because she would look a little intimidating to the younger kids. So I turned the outside light off let Chloe out and she followed me back to the couch and lay down on my feet. It was getting close to 10pm when my husband decided he'd had enough fun for the night and was going to go upstairs take a shower and get ready for bed. After all, it was Thursday and he still had to get up early the next day. My teenage son was out with his friends at a local haunted house and wasn't expected back for another hour or so. So that left me alone in the couch with Chloe now just because I don't believe doesn't mean those shows don't freak me out a bit and being alone now watching I'd have to say was kind of on I was kind of on edge as it were. It wasn't long after I heard the upstairs water for the shower turned on. When there came a light knock knock knock at the front door. My initial reaction was what the hell really it's almost 10 go home. But soon an uneasy feeling came over me why the knock? Our doorbell glows and in the dark and without the porch light it would be extra obvious to anyone there. I paused. I couldn't really just ignore it. our front door has a big beveled glass panel and anybody right at the door could see in enough to see someone was in the family room watching TV. It would be pretty rude for me to just sit there and not answer it. Knock knock knock again from the door. a glance down at Chloe and she was gone. my gaze followed her usual path to the front door expecting her to be on her way there as she normally does nothing she wasn't there. I stood up to look around the room better and found her crouching by the back door like she was wanting out. However, she never asked to go out like that she always comes in licks my hand or puts her head on my knee. This was totally out of character for her and I have to say heightened my anxiety. Chloe, crate. I said she just turned back to look at me like hell no lady, I ain't moving. I held up to my husband. But if he was already in the shower, I knew there was no chance of him hearing me. Knock Knock knock. About the time a car drove down our street and cast just enough light on the door to where I could see the silhouettes of two small children through the glass. I instantly felt relief. It was just some kids probably a couple of my neighbors on their way back home that wanted to stop by and show me their costume or something. I headed to the door and looked back to make sure Chloe wasn't going to follow what a great watchdog I thought to myself as she just sat there. I turned on the porch light when I got to the door. And sure enough, I could see through the glass that it was a couple of pretty small kids a little late for such young ones I thought and I began to wonder what kind of parents will let their kids run the streets that late at night. I only opened the door enough to where I could block Chloe's escape if she decided to grow some balls, which was only about two feet. What struck me immediately as odd was the kids weren't wearing any costumes. They were in normal street clothes. Also, no customary Trick or Treat either. I began to feel very uneasy again. It was a girl and boy, the girl to my left was older I'd say about 11 or 12. I could tell she was blond, but I couldn't make out any distinct features as our lights are from high above and on columns at the front of the porch so most of the light was coming from behind them. I had not opened the door wide enough for any light from inside to hit them. The boy was younger and about a foot shorter. I'd say eight or nine and look to have light brown hair. The girl very politely spoke up. Ma'am, can we please come inside and use your phone to call our mom as she spoke something in the pit of my stomach was telling me something was wrong. What kid even at that age doesn't have a cell phone of their own these days. I couldn't remember the last time I'd had anybody asked to use my home phone Don't you have a phone of your own you can call your mom on. I asked. Both kids turned to look at one another like they were going to say something to one another but neither ever spoke. They both turned back to me. And the girl said, Ma'am, my cell phone battery doesn't have any charge left in it, can we please come inside and call our mother. We're alone out here and my brother is scared. I have to admit there were two competing feelings coming on inside me. The first that of a mother's heart that wanted to help these two small children get to their mom, the other a sinking fear in my gut that was keeping the other feeling at bay. It was then I noticed that during the short conversation, I'd already opened the door a few extra inches, which I was completely unaware of doing. I stopped. Honey, why don't you give me your mother's number and I can call her myself. Another pause and they again looked at one another. After a short moment, they turned back to me and the girl said, Ma'am, my little brother has to use your bathroom. Can we please come inside while you call our mom. And with the last statement the little girl moved closer toward the door like she was going to just walk on in by me. As she did, she stepped into the light coming from inside the house and I got my first real good look at her solid jet black eyes. That's all I could see. That motherly instinct was gone and replaced by terror. I don't think I've ever felt in my life. I could feel every hair on my arms and back of my neck standing at attention. I closed the door to where just my face was able to stick out. The little girl stopped and again pleaded, please Ma'am, we're really scared and alone out here. We have to come inside, please help us. Then like on cue, both kids began to whimper and cry. That's where the fear took over and I shut and lock the door. I'll call your mom, if you give me the number. I shot it through the door. But I'm not letting you in my house. I could still see them stand there on the porch just staring at me through the beveled glass pane. Part of me wanted to run upstairs to my husband, but the bigger part of me didn't want to lose track of them. That would have freaked me out even more to not know where they were. After what seemed like forever, but probably only a few seconds I decided to call my neighbor that lives across the street. As I made my way to the side table by our couch to my phone I glanced at the back door. Chloe was nowhere to be found. we later found her in the guest room under the bed. When I got to my phone and started to look for his contact info. It was only then the kid stepped away from the door and began to walk to the street. As they did I walked to the door to get a better look to see where they went still not calling my neighbor. If you get close enough to the glass, you can see out enough to make out people shapes. But you can see you can't see much detail. Of course standing that close to the door would make you pretty obvious to anyone outside looking in. From the door, I could see that the kids were still standing under the street lamp nearest my house staring at me. As I lifted the phone to my ear after calling only then did the kids start walking down the street. I met my neighbor out under the lamp once he was out there, but the kids were nowhere to be seen. Like I said, I don't believe in any of this stuff and had never ever heard about Black Eyed Kids before talking to my friend. What I really think what I have to think is these kids were just out yanking people's chains on Halloween night. But I will say that for them. They were good. Really good at it. They scared the S out of me and my dog.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:03:38

Why didn't you say shit?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:03:40

Because that's how she wrote it. I will end with her last line. And I'm not sure if it's hers or Oscar wrote this. So this Halloween, be careful not to let the BEK enter.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:03:53

Yeah, that was I was watching you and I usually have a little comments and stuff. But yeah, it was really good story. I was freaked out the whole time.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:04:01

Yeah. So a little background on this. Um, we've mentioned this to some of our ghoulsters. But Oscar did a lot of research to find the stories that went in our Tales from the Tent. And we're going to talk about this more later for you guys. But we wanted all stories that were true encounters. And we read this story and we were like freaked out we were like this story is so good. And then he later found out that the very top of like the website or the forum, I'm not sure what the Reddit terminology is. It said for people to submit their fictional stories. We were so bummed because it was just like such a creepy story.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:04:39

It's pretty creepy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:04:40

So that's why we wanted to share with you guys as a fun little trick or treat story.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:04:45

That was really good.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:04:46

Yeah, and our trigger treat stories don't end there. Tune into Tuesday's new episode of Tales from the tent because we have an urban legend based on a true story about poison candy and now that's actually my favorite one. So I highly suggest you guys tune in on Tuesday to Tales from the Tent. Before we close the show I have to give a major thank you to our newest patrons. Monica, Brittany Shelley, Tina and Lindy if you guys are interested in joining the official Ghoulster party where our goals talk Halloween all day every day or you just want to help invest in our little production of love, please visit patreon.com/TheGhoulMates. And last but not least, I want to give a huge Ghoulster shout out and major thanks to Rebecca. She is a diehard Sam fan and she helped us put together some of our show notes for today's episode. She was also doing the cutest 31 days of Sam photos on her Instagram so be sure to check her out @dirtyghoul. Until next time, we are sending you ghouls and kisses.

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