Updated: Sep 18, 2020
It's showtime! The Ghoul Mates dig into a Ghoulster favorite and its original, much darker script.
Welcome foolish Ghoulsters to the podcast that keeps the spirit of Halloween alive all year through pop culture and nostalgia, and now it's love at first fright with The Ghoul Mates.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:18
What's up spooky Ghoulsters! We are so excited to be doing today's episode about one of the movies that has heavily influenced The Ghoul Mates and we know it's also a major favorite amongst all our Ghoulsters the one and only the ghost with the most Beetlejuice!
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:33
Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:34
Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:39
Okay, but first, as always, let's go through some
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:45
Okay, here we go Ghoulsters um, what is the name of the horror film magazine that debuted in 1979 and is returning to print in 2018. Let's pretend that we're in 2017.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:00
I'm gonna go with Fangoria.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:01
That is correct. That is the correct answer, Fangoria.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:05
Oh yeah. Okay, I think you're gonna know this one. shocker, right? What sci fi horror film does a black hole unleash its evil upon the actors, Laurence Fishburne and Sam Neill.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:18
Oh, yeah. The Event Horizon.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:21
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:23
Quick little side note that movie like horrified me when I was a kid. I think there's like a part where they're in hell. And they have like, these flashes of like little hill scenes.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:35
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:36
And one of them was like a weird like, death orgy. And it always like haunted me. It was pretty terrible.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:43
That sounds terrible.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:45
So yeah, then horizon, everybody.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:48
Okay, on that note, we are going on to
Ghost Hostess Mandy 1:53
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Master of Scaremonies Rudy 2:20
I am so ready.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 2:22
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and Irma. Thank you Ghoulsters so much for your support. If anyone's interested in learning more about the different perks we have available for our patrons including bonus episodes and Ghoulster Mail, check out all the email@example.com/theghoulmates. Okay, now time for some exciting Halloween news. Do you want to kick it off? Rudy?
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 3:02
Yeah. So, Mandy actually shared this with me a couple of nights ago. Apparently somebody put together a fan film for Friday the 13th that actually takes place in the snow during the day, which is kind of new. And it's called Never Hike in the Snow. It's a short film, I think, is that a short film?
Ghost Hostess Mandy 3:22
I don't think so actually.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 3:23
It might be a feature. Regardless of what it is. It is from Womp Stomp Films, and it will be released on blu ray at some point and on YouTube. So we will be checking that out. We are big, huge Friday the 13th fan so it looks pretty badass.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 3:39
Yeah, it's pretty exciting. I couldn't wait to show Rudy when I saw the trailer. In more spooky, cute news Freeform announced that they will be hosting an event called Halloween Road. It's going to be similar to last year's Halloween house featuring Hocus Pocus and Nightmare Before Christmas. And from my understanding it's going to be another drive thru haunt and there's not a lot of information released yet, but stay tuned and we'll probably keep you guys posted on our Instagram stories @theghoulmates. And Freeform also released a set of virtual party backgrounds. You can find it on the 31 nights of Halloween, Instagram. We're super excited about this one. And we're kind of thinking that now we're gonna have to host a zoom virtual party for Halloween, where we can all share our different 31 nights of Halloween backgrounds. What do you guys think? Let us know.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 4:31
Let's do it. I'm I'm on board. Hundred percent.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 4:33
Yeah, it sounds fun movie night or what?
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 4:36
Yes. And also other news, Adam Sandler's coming out with a new movie. For Netflix. It's gonna be called Hubie Halloween.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 4:46
Is that how you pronounce it?
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 4:47
I think so.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 4:48
It was like, is it hubby or hubee
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 4:50
It might be hubee. I don't know. I think it's hubby, well, it might be I don't know. It's one of those two, but it's coming out. I think October 7 to Netflix. There's not a lot known about this movie, but there's a lot of SNL casts from past years that are going to be showing up. But it should be interesting. The director of Mr. Deeds and little Nikki's returning to help Adam Sandler put this together, so should be interesting. I like those two movies. They're pretty hilarious, so I'm hoping for something good. I know that a lot of people don't like a lot of newer Adam Sandler movies, but you know, they're always like, fun to watch. He has like a huge deal with Netflix. So we're gonna get it whether we like it or not so.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 5:34
Alright guys, so Beetlejuice. Before we get started, I have to go on a little side rant here. Remember when we talked about how the Hocus Pocus board game almost didn't happen? Because we pre ordered it and then it didn't arrive. Well, it happened again with our Beetlejuice boxset. I pre ordered these things and then they get delayed and people who don't even preorder end up getting them before us.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 5:58
It's an Arizona thing. It's too hot. Hear nobody wants to be delivering stuff.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:02
That must be it. They're like, Oh, I forgot about them. They're in the heat losers. Anyway, at least Rudy found something to save the day for our podcast promotional pictures.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:15
Yes, we went to Spirit the other day, our 20th trip to Spirit and we found a about. It's about a two foot statue of Beetlejuice hanging out on his tombstone, and he lights up and it was just pretty awesome. We just had to have him I wanted to photograph him for sure.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:31
Yeah, he's pretty cool. We had seen him on the website, and he looked like he was just gonna be like a regular small figure.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:37
Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:37
He's, I don't think he's two feet, but he's pretty big.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:40
Yeah, he's pretty big.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:41
When we saw him in person. I was like, Oh, he's a big boy.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:44
Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:46
So be sure to check out his latest spooky photo on our Instagram. Okay, so I know our last few shows have been a little different with each of us taking a topic of our choosing about the episode theme, but we wanted to kind of go back to our more discussion on format for this episode. This movie obviously means a lot to both of us and the inspiration of The Ghoul Mates. And we really just wanted to have a conversation about it because we actually haven't ever really talked about the movie together.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 7:13
Yeah, that's true. We're we're diehard fans with Beetlejuice. Everything about it is just really cool. It's kind of horror comedy. Family. I don't know. It's weird, but it's an awesome movie.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 7:25
Yeah, for sure. And so we kind of just want to explore our each of our, I guess, likings for the movie, what it is that we love about it. And then we're gonna go into two segments after that, from our Familiar he actually read the original script to the movie. So he's gonna give us the ghoulish details on that and then we will end with our
Fables From our Familiar
Ghost Hostess Mandy 7:46
About a real life Beetlejuice encounter with the ghost in the attic.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 7:51
Ghost Hostess Mandy 7:54
Spooky stuff. So I have done enough talking as usual, why don't you kick us off and tell us your thoughts on Beetlejuice
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 8:02
Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. What can I say about Beetlejuice? Um, it's the My favorite thing about Beetlejuice is Michael Keaton, because he's my favorite Batman. And now we're talking about Beetlejuice. But you know, Michael Keaton is is pretty badass in both movies. But I think actually he was better in Beetlejuice because he had so much range and he was just so crazy. And all over the place. He had like, notes of what's his name? Jack Nicholson. But yeah, Michael Keaton was just fantastic in that movie. And it's weird because he was kind of barely in the movie if you really think about it. Yeah, he's like in the back half of it. And I remember reading when we were doing some of the research about Beetlejuice. His his character was so popular with like a test audience when they showed the movie that they brought them back in to film an additional scene that they ended up putting in. At the end of the movie. I think it's the scene where he said, he takes the ticket away from this witch doctor. And then you put and then the witch doctor puts like dust on his head and his head shrinks.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:15
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:16
So you know, they added that extra scene because the audience liked Beetlejuice so much.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:21
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:22
And it's crazy that they never like did a sequel like right away because it was so good and so popular. It's just strange to me.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:29
I think I heard somewhere that the sequel didn't happen because of his schedule with Batman.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:35
Yeah, cuz Batman with Michael Keaton and Tim Burton and they just jumped on that like right away. And I know after the first Batman, they went into the sequel to Batman. So Batman Returns so that's all they were doing, which is Batman stuff.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:48
Batman just took off.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:49
Well it's Batman, so.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:52
And I do know there's like talks of another confirm allegedly confirmed sequel, but obviously there's not a lot of details yet. Especially With the Rona,
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:01
True I mean, this happens like every year though. Like I remember I was still in college, and there was like a poster that was circulating about a sequel to Beetlejuice. But it never happened. It was just like this fan art somebody put together so it's, it's like when you're at Coachella and they're saying, hey, Daft Punk is gonna come back next year, every year. It's always like Daft Punk gonna play Coachella next year. So every year it's like, oh, here's gonna be a Beetlejuice sequel?
Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:31
True. One day, it's gonna happen.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:34
I hope so.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:34
Hey, if Batman if Michael Keaton's Batman is coming back, maybe he's gonna be like, you know what? Dust off the old striped suit.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:42
Exactly. He's like I gotta go to work, and scare some people.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:48
Yeah, um, before we move on to my thoughts on it, I kind of also wanted to get your thoughts on the set pieces, because I know we kind of saw that they purposely didn't want to use that. Like, advanced technology for the special effects?
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:03
Oh yeah, I remember seeing something about that. And I am thinking about it. Um, you know, a lot of special effects supervisors at the time they had to use technology that was available and there wasn't really a lot of CG stuff being done back then. Everything was gonna be in camera practical effects. But if you if when you're watching the movie, it has like this kind of homemade DIY, haunted house vibe to it.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:31
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:32
Like it feels like someone put this together from stuff that they got from like Lowe's and stuff. Like you go to like a really cool, haunted house. Like every town has like a neighborhood where they have a haunted house. It's like really badass.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:47
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:47
And it's all put together by things that this person thought of, and it has that same feeling in Beetlejuice.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:53
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:54
Has like this kind of haunted house. Fun House. feel to it.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 12:00
Funhouse. Yes. I think that's a good way to put it. And also, I think just the effect like there's a lot of like the whole stop motion type feel to it.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 12:09
Ghost Hostess Mandy 12:10
And so I think that just helps you like seeing it in 2020 versus what 10-15 how long ago didn't even come out?
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 12:17
I think it came out in 89 or 88 one of the two
Ghost Hostess Mandy 12:23
Let's test your knowledge. Are you ready?
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 12:25
Well, well Batman came out in 89 so must've come out. 88 right?
Ghost Hostess Mandy 12:29
You're right 88 I'll never stump you.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 12:32
But yeah, stop motion animation was still prevalent then. So that was the technology available. I don't think I think it was the Abyss was the first movie that have like actual CG effects. There were prominent in a movie. And that didn't come out until like the 90s. So
Ghost Hostess Mandy 12:51
Well, I guess what I'm trying to get at is like, seeing it now. It's still kind of holds up like you're not constantly thinking like, Oh, this is an outdated movie. And I think part of it is because it used like
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:03
Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:03
A different style of set pieces and special effects.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:07
Right. I think. I think it does hold up because, like, stop motion animation is odd when you see it, it doesn't look of this world. So it fits in that world. Like it makes sense.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:22
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:22
Like if you watch the old Clash of the Titans from like, I think it was like the 70s or 60s. That's all stop motion animation, but it looks weird. Because it's like you have like the zombies fighting like these characters, but just stop motion looks odd. It always, always looked odd. For me, as a filmmaker, you want to use the best tools that are available to you.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:45
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:45
And, you know, that's what was available was stop motion animation. I mean, there's no really other no other way to do it. Except you put someone in a rubber suit, which would have looked even cheesier or a big like robotic monster but that would have way too much. So I think stop motion animation made the most sense.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 14:03
The rubber suit thing makes me think of She's All That when they're like doing that weird play.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 14:16
Oh, yeah. She's all that.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 14:22
But yeah. Okay, what else any other thoughts you want to point out before I move on to my corny thoughts?
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 14:29
Um, I just think that as far as like the set pieces are concerned, I really liked the artwork that was chosen. It's very reminiscent of German Expressionism. Like they had like this like wave of German movies back in the day. They were really really surreal and like one dimensional, like two dimensional, like set pieces, it was just really odd. There. It was almost like a play that they captured and stuff and it was just really weird shape. And then different illusions that they had put together. So I kind of had that feeling with the whole aesthetic of Beetlejuice. I thought it was pretty cool.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 15:08
Yes. And it's interesting to think, too, that this was one of the first or the first Tim Burton feature film, right?
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 15:16
I believe so. Yeah.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 15:17
So it's interesting to think, I don't know, cuz like for me, I've seen all of them, like, out of order, and to me is just like a Tim Burton film is a Tim Burton film. But this one kind of like laid the foundation for the rest of them.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 15:30
Ghost Hostess Mandy 15:31
And we saw in one of the videos, we were watching to research it, we saw that there's a very early piece that resembles Jack Skellington. But Nightmare didn't come out until like five years after that.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 15:42
Yeah, seeing a lot of things that are Tim Burton esque came from Beetlejuice. I know Tim Burton likes a really big bat wings that are really skinny little skulls that are Have smiles like jack Skellington a lot of stripes, a lot of black and white stuff. But yeah.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:06
So speaking of that, that kind of leads us to the inspiration of The Ghoul Mates.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:12
Yes, I do believe that Beetlejuice is in our DNA. And you could see it through from our colors to how we design things. But yeah,
Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:21
but it's funny because I don't think we purposely did it.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:25
Yeah, I think so. There. I mean, Tim Burton does draw a lot from Halloween itself.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:32
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 16:33
So it was kind of natural to kind of latch on to Beetlejuice because it's so what Halloween is it's like wacky and crazy and fun and like, it's, you know, a movie about a haunted house that people live in.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 16:49
And I think for me, I started to think about this last night actually, because I was like, I know that there's so much Beetlejuice in our branding, kind of like not actually like we copied the branding but more like the color. Sometimes the stripes naturally happened. And I started to realize that I think it's because Beetlejuice is like the only movie that is this weird mesh of different genres. Like you said earlier. Yeah, like it's not a horror movie. And it's not a comedy, but it's also not like a cute, spooky movie like Hocus Pocus for kids,
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:24
Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:24
And I think that's really where The Ghoul Mates is kind of like lost in the middle of all these things, too.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:31
Yeah that's true.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:32
We're constantly struggling like well, are we like a Disney Halloween account or a horror movie? Because we like all of those things. And it's kind of like Beetlejuice is the only thing that meets all of those.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:44
Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:44
Different realms that we're into.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:46
I think we are the Beetlejuice of the spooky community.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:51
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:52
There it is.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:53
That's a big. What is it called? A standard to set for ourselfs.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:59
I think you're trying to say that was a bold statement.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:02
It kind of was
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 18:03
Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:06
But aside from like the colors and the inspiration, I also started to think that I think a lot of people would be shocked to hear that I don't relate to Lydia anymore.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 18:19
Ghost Hostess Mandy 18:20
Yeah, so I started thinking about it. And I love Lydia's character who doesn't she's like the standard for spooky girls. Right? Like she has the attitude and the fashion. And, like, for me, I always love that she's a photographer. And then I started to think that when we started doing The Ghoul Mates my I guess my attitude kind of changed, because I felt a lot like Barbara, where I'm like, constantly trying to figure out like, how do I scare people? Like, am I gonna be scaring people? Is that what we do now as like a Halloween podcast? Or are we just corny people who think we're scaring we're never gonna scare.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 19:00
No, I don't mean, we're trying to scare people once in a while. And sometimes it works because we get like, some comments about how one of the episodes was spooky and stuff. But for the most part, it's not really about scaring the crap out of people. It's about just making our experience the experience of the podcasts and photos. Just fun,
Ghost Hostess Mandy 19:23
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 19:25
The fun is that you get from Halloween every year. We try to bring that every day. And it's hard. But we do it for you guys.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 19:35
It's not hard. I think it's more like challenging. And like we never know if we're missing the mark. And that's kind of how they are in the movie. Like they're like ooh, we're ghosts. Yeah, we're just here randomly like, was that even spooky?
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 19:49
Yeah, they're just it's like trial and error trying to see like what's gonna hit what isn't gonna hit? Yeah, yeah, it's it's an adventure every day.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 19:59
For sure. So I don't know, I guess just this phase in my life has made me felt a lot more like Barbara than Lydia,
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 20:07
Ghost Hostess Mandy 20:08
Because I know how to do the whole spooky girl in my dark room. But I don't know I think Barbara is just like in this transitional phase in her life, right obviously. And for me that's kind of just how I feel right now is trying to like, learn who Ghost Hostess Mandy is.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 20:28
I see that transition too with you. I can see how you could be kind of like Lydia, but you're mostly like Barbara now. But I feel like I'm also like Beetlejuice before Well, a backtrack. I was like Beetlejuice before I met you.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 20:43
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 20:44
And it was just about having fun and doing all these crazy things. And, but it was all about me. Everything was serving me. But after I met you, I feel like it was more like Beetlejuice in the animated series.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 20:59
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:00
Beetlejuice and Lydia you know, they helped each other out and they got they went on adventures together. And they were trying to like spook people together. So I kind of feel like I'm the animated series Beetlejuice now.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:13
Yes. And then I love the part in the animated series where she like goes to fight for his soul.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:19
Yeah, and that's what you did for me. So maybe you're the Lydia, that is from the animated series too.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:25
The Adventurous Lydia.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:27
The Adventurous Lydia.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:29
The Adventures of Mandy and Rudy Juice.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:32
Rudy Juice, booty juice.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:36
But I did want to say, I kind of feel like we could talk all day back and forth about Beetlejuice. And I really want to get to the information that are familiar put together for us about the original script. But before that, I want to say that I found out through all of this research that the rights to the Beetlejuice cartoon belong to Disney.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 22:00
That is right. Yeah.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 22:01
And I want to know why Disney hasn't made a spooky land at Disneyland. Yes, like, hello. Everybody loves Haunted Mansion. Like they could create an entire spooky world.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 22:17
Ghost Hostess Mandy 22:18
If they own the cartoon, and they could make the opening scene into a ride, I think oh yeah, that's pretty cool. So I think that kind of wraps up our overall thoughts on the movie. Should we move on to our familiars findings? Oh my god. That could be another segment.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 22:33
Hey. He has like four nicknames and two or five segments now. I mean, do you even need me anymore? I'm out.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 22:46
We always need you. Oh my gosh, dramatic.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 22:50
I'm just kidding. Okay.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 22:52
You're just kidding. You love our familiar
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 22:53
I love Mr. Gato.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 22:56
You're the one who gave him his four nicknames.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 22:59
I call him Mr. Gato, the first day that you said he was going to help us, and he said that he's our familiar. I said Mr. Gato.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 23:08
Oh, and then I was like, Oh my God, that's perfect because Sabrina's cat is a familiar Sabrina's familiar as a cat? Yeah,
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:14
I don't think he likes Mr. Gato though.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 23:17
I think he feels overwhelmed. It's so many names.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:21
Ghost Hostess Mandy 23:21
He's like, um just call me flopscar.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:25
Remember when I tried to make rutabaga happen on the first episode? Call me Rutabaga. Nobody has called me since this all started. Anyways on to Beetlejuice.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 23:37
Yes. Okay, so apparently Beetlejuice was not originally this fun, light hearted movie that we have all grown to love. The original first script was much darker and so our Familiar was so intrigued. He read the entire original script and put together these notes for us. You guys, I don't ask him to do these things
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:59
They just appear. He's like a Halloween elf.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:03
Oh my god.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:04
There's another one Mr. elf so your elf. Oscar the elf. Shelf on the elf. Elf on the Shelf, whatever it's called.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:14
Uh Yes. So, again now you see why he's become our producer because we didn't even tell him and he was like, oh, stayed up reading the script.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:23
Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:24
So here it is. The early scripts of the film would have categorized the movie as a horror movie. And it had themes of drug use, rape and murder.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:38
Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:39
Yeah, the first script even had Lydia dying in a fire.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:44
Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:45
so reading over the second draft of the script written by Michael McDowell in 1985, found on daily script.com Beetlejuice was very different. He's described as a short, dark skinned older man with Middle Eastern features and yellow Snake shaped eyes. And he's the most malevolent spirit in the universe.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:06
What does malevolent mean? Like
Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:09
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:09
Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:11
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:13
Google, Google that for me.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:15
The state or condition of being malevolent
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:18
Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:19
Okay hold up. Malevolent is having or showing a wish to do evil to others.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:25
Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:28
Okay, so the Maitland death scene was very different. Adam and Barbara were killed in a hit and run on their way to the town's picnic and their death was a lot more gruesome. They were rammed into the side of the bridge where Barbara was pinned by a heavy post that came off the bridge. She wailed in pain and fright. Adam was unable to reverse the car and they fell into the river screaming as the car filled up with water sinking to the bottom of the river. When they appear back at the house and approach their fireplace Barbara's arms fall off into the fire. Sorry, I shouldn't laugh. And then Adam picks it up and tries to attach it back on.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 26:08
Well, I mean, they still had the fire thing where her fingers got on fire, though. So, in the movie, remember, this is gonna be one of those where you're unimpressed. No, no, it's very dark and very sad. And say it was unimpressed with it.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 26:24
Um, okay, and then the Deetz, this is the interesting part. And I don't like it. To be honest. I'm really glad it changed. So Charles Deetz had two daughters named Cathy and Lydia. And Lydia was from a previous marriage and Cathy's the daughter of Charles and Delia. And so when they're introduced in the script, this is how they're described. Lydia's a 16 year old city girl SoHo fashionista and a photographer with a current interest in goth. And Cathy's a nine year old but described as an old soul. She loved the look of the house before her mother renovated it. So Cathy develops a parental relationship with Adam and Barbara. And in this version of the script, Lydia can't see ghosts but Cathy can.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 27:08
Huh, interesting. Um, it was kind of like, a lot of, it's just so different. Yeah, it's like, Yeah, I don't think it would have been a hit. If it was like that it would have been just kind of weird
Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:21
and it's so hard to think of Lydia playing like a different role because she's kind of what makes the movie like her relationship with Beetlejuice and the Maitlands.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 27:30
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, cuz she was kind of like, the Maitlands. I'm adopted daughter because because the Maitland couldn't have kids.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:42
Oh, yeah. I remember the realtor kind of alluding to that.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 27:46
Yeah, I think they I think she made a comment and she kind of offended them and she like backtrack. But yeah.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:53
Yeah. So I don't know. It's just interesting to see how different things are and so even like the housewarming show off party. So instead of the last seance in the movie, the Deetz had planned a huge party inviting over 100 guests to show off their newly renovated house. And they were going to have Adam and Barb bake a ghostly appearance at midnight, Adam and Barb made a deal with Beetlejuice to ruin the party and scare them all out of the house. So this is where you start to see like how different Beetlejuice was because he had plans. Other plans for the party like to torture the Deetz, kill all the guests and blow up the town. And so throughout the story, he shaped shifts into different characters to mess with each of them. So to mess with Charles he shapeshifts into an auditor from the IRS that shows up on the day of the party and finds Charles guilty on tax fraud. Sorry, that was kind of funny.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:48
It seems like something that Beetlejuice would do.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:51
Yeah. And then to mess with Delia. He shape shifts into an old woman that works at the local dry cleaners. And he eventually replaces all of these designer garments with clothes from Kmart. Leaving her to wear a mumu at the party.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 29:06
Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:07
And then let's see for Lydia. This one's the dark one. And it's kind of like genius but also terrible. He shape shifts into a rock star Danny Death that she meets at a concert in New York City. And then he attempts to aggressively seduce her in the bedroom at the party. I don't know why I feel like I've heard Danny Death before is it in the animated series?
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 29:30
Um, I don't know he might be it sounds familiar.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:33
Yeah, it's very catchy. Okay, and then Cathy, the other daughter in this scenario, he shapeshifts into an injured squirrel. Sorry, these sounds so crazy.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 29:46
They sound like a movie. That is Beetlejuice.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:49
Yeah, like they sound accurate but they're also like pretty twisted and I'm laughing but they're just so ridiculous at the same time, so he turns into an injured squirrel that she tries to nurse back to health. And at the party. He attacks her leaving her body torn and bloody.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 30:05
Ghost Hostess Mandy 30:06
Yeah. Okay and then. So the exorcism of Beetlejuice because in this one he's a demon. In the end Beetlejuice is defeated by both families coming together in a prayer circle performing an exorcism led by Kathy they conjure a lightning storm that strikes Beetlejuice burning off his wings. Ooh, he has wings. He leaps in the air and explodes into a firework display. It ends with the family living together in peace the Deetz in the house and the Mainland's living in the miniature version of the house in Adam's town model. And then some extras that are kind of like differences from the movie we saw. So when Delia and Otho investigate the house to plan renovations, Adam attempts to scare them in the bathroom but fails since he can't apperate. In the real world so in the scene vile water floods the bathtub and his body flops out face up looking a pet Delia. And then they also failed in scaring the Deetz by wearing the sheets in the original script. So Lydia thought it was her dad and Delia, so she snapped photos of them, but she doesn't find or like notice the no feet thing until later when she develops them in the basement. So Cathy catches them in her mother's room, and she pulls off the sheets and finds them in their underwear when they discover that Cathy can see them.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 31:33
Ghost Hostess Mandy 31:33
Yeah, and then the iconic dancing dinner scene was not very iconic in the original script. The flower pattern rug under the dinner table came to life and vines grew out of it flowers bloomed in the dining room eventually turned into a jungle and that was it.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 31:49
Like, what's it called? Jumanji?
Ghost Hostess Mandy 31:51
I just realized we should be doing a Jumanji episode for 2020.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 31:58
Yeah we should.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 32:00
A side note there. So yeah, that's those are the the highlights that Oscar pulled from the very original script that he found. And he read the entire thing. And so yeah, it was a very, very different version of what we got to see.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:15
You know, I kind of always wanted to know how Beetlejuice died cuz he's a ghost.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 32:24
You know what one of the videos we saw talked about this I think it was when you left me alone.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:29
Ghost Hostess Mandy 32:30
Well watching the creepy videos, but I think they kind of touched that they allude throughout the movie that he committed suicide.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:37
Ghost Hostess Mandy 32:38
Because if you notice at a certain point they say that people who choose to
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:45
Who commit suicide
Ghost Hostess Mandy 32:45
Who commit suicide end up being like the caseworkers
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:49
Like civil servants?
Ghost Hostess Mandy 32:50
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:50
Ghost Hostess Mandy 32:51
And so if you notice he was originally like the civil servant that worked with the Maitlands.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 32:55
Oh, no, he, Oh, I remember now I know what you're talking about. He like the old older lady. She's like the head of.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:02
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:02
So she worked under.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:04
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:05
He worked under her. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. I he's, I think he's really old too because he talks about like living through the black plague.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:12
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:13
So he's been around for a good long while. So I would love to see like, like a prequel to Beetlejuice.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:21
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:22
Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:23
Oh, that would be so cool. Yeah, that would be dark, too. I bet
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:27
That would be pretty dark.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:27
Yeah. And then like another thing I took out of the videos, and the research we did was kind of how they mentioned throughout the movie that like, the way you pass is the way you end up looking in the afterlife. And they kind of just alluded to the fact that he's brought in on the outside because that's how he is on the inside.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:47
Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:47
And I know it's like the most basic thought, but I just never like I never put those pieces together. Like I'm just saying, oh, he's Beetlejuice. So he has to be like scary and weird looking. And then when they say It's like, oh, his appearance on the outside is just he's rotten on the inside just like oh. Because you have so much fun watching him that you're not like, Oh, he's a rotten person and he's evil like you're just like, he's Beetlejuice dude.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:47
Yeah, he's Beetlejuice.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:14
so yeah, it's interesting. You bring that up, but yeah, I could totally see like a very serious dark origin story.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:22
Come on Tim Burton get to work.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:25
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:26
Who would you get to play young Beetlejuice?
Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:28
Oh. Robert Pattinson.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:32
I knew you were going to say that too. Robert Pattinson his next role following the footsteps of Michael Keaton.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:38
Going backwards from Batman to Beetljuice.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:41
There you go. And since we're on the subject of prequels, when are we ever going to get a sequel? I know we talked about it like earlier but I want a Beetlejuice sequel. And I know that they had put together you know, a script for it. And I read a little bit about it. I kind of wanted to get your take on, like, the whole premise of it.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:04
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:05
So from what I've heard or read, the sequel would have taken place in Hawaii. And it would have followed the Deetz. And they would they wanted to buy like a property on the island to develop a hotel. Or they got like a hotel one of the two, but it was haunted by like, Island ghosts, so local ghosts, and they hire Beetlejuice to come scare them away. And of course Beetlejuice does Beetlejuice and like, right like wrecks havoc on the whole island, and at some point he turned into like this big volcano demon monster thing.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:42
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:42
And like Lydia has to, like create like a tsunami to destroy him.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:47
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:47
So like, what do you think of that whole thing? I like I've heard a lot of people thought it was like a dumb idea. But I think it's fantastic. I thought it was pretty cool idea.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:56
Um, it's out there.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:00
But even the original script to Beetlejuice was out there but it also felt like it made sense.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:04
Yeah, cuz like reading the things that Beetlejust-
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:08
Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:08
That Beetlejuice did in the original script. They sound insane. But they made it work well like they develop him into being something that works. So I don't know it sounds kind of silly to me.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:26
Really I think the idea of Lucifer juice would have been amazing. Thats what they're gonna call him.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:33
I know I like the name. It sounds bad ass. But I don't know. I guess I would just have to see it. I trust that if like Tim Burton did it it would be done well, like even if it's a crazy story to begin with.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:47
Yeah, cuz I mean, if you think of Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. All the things that happen in it. Like they don't make sense but they work. Yeah. So I think the whole idea of it because like getting a resort and trying to make something out of it and it's haunted. And then in hiring another ghost to scare some other ghosts. You know, I think it's crazy and I think it'd be a lot of fun.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 37:12
Yeah, and all I can think too, though, is that I can picture the visuals for it being a lot like imagine the sandworms area. Uh huh. Like, but with volcanoes and hula girls, like, do do do do.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 37:27
I really really do the music but yeah,
Ghost Hostess Mandy 37:29
I can I can picture those scenes.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 37:31
You think there 'd be a ghost Moana? Do do do do do No?
Ghost Hostess Mandy 37:39
Yes and no one knows where that ghost goes.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 37:46
You know, if they ever do a Beetlejuice sequel. I kind of want it to be like, the animated series. Like I want it to be like, maybe Beetlejuice is like being punished for what he did and to be redeemed he needs to develop a relationship with Lydia. And they kind of like help each other out through like some tough times. And they kind of end he like, you know, completes an arc where he becomes like a hero.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 38:15
And then his skin de-rots
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 38:17
and the skin de-rots. Yes. And he has like a really cool like slicked hair. Oh.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 38:24
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 38:25
Ghost Hostess Mandy 38:27
All right. Well, I think it's time to send Beetlejuice back to the netherworld. Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. Okay, so it's time for
Fables from our Familiar
Ghost Hostess Mandy 38:44
And this one is about a real life ghost in the attic.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 38:50
Is he a ghost with the most?
Ghost Hostess Mandy 38:52
No, he's a mean ghost. Are you already laughing?
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 38:57
Ghost Hostess Mandy 38:58
Yeah, you're not gonna be laughing when I get to the end of this.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:00
Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:01
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:02
Okay, I'm ready.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:03
This one's called the Ghost in the Attic. In the late 1980s Jackie Hernandez experienced a series of encounters. This story was documented on video and was made into a documentary called An Unknown Encounter. So the first incident that happened to Jackie was when she was walking past her desk that was a few feet away and a pencil holder tumbled towards her throwing out the pencils. Jackie claims the events started slowly, with things like feeling she wasn't alone in the home, their cat chasing shadows, and she would always wake up at midnight. One night when sleeping in the living room. She woke up at midnight, all of the window shades rolled up simultaneously. In another scarier incident. She woke up at midnight and decided to go to the restroom. On the way there she passed her children's bedroom and saw a full body apparition sitting on the bunk bed. She did a double take and he was gone. He wasn't transparent but look like a corpse with a gray skin tone. He was wearing gray pants and a red flannel shirt and was described as looking angry and scary.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 40:04
Eww que feo.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 40:07
So later after learning that one of her friends found money in their attic, leftover from a previous tenant, Jackie thought maybe she could strike gold too. The attic door was located in the laundry room. She stood on top of the washing machine and stuck her head in the attic. As soon as she did, she could feel someone staring at the back of her head. She turned around and there was nothing. Then she looked to the far side of the attic and a head appeared. It appeared to be a head that belonged to a chubby man. The head started at the corner of the attic and then quickly rushed towards her out of fear her legs collapsed and she fell off the washing machine back in the bedroom.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 40:45
She's a chumbo went after her and she got scared.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 40:51
I can tell you're not taking this serious.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 40:55
Because I said chumbo
Ghost Hostess Mandy 40:56
Cuz you're like ehh. It's a ghost story.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 40:59
Well Come on.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 41:01
Okay, well, let's see how you debunk this. Okay, so Jackie decided to get in contact with local paranormal investigators to help her. They started their investigation taking pictures around the house and asking about her encounters. After hearing about the story of the attic, Jeff went to stick his head in and he felt the same thing. He felt like someone was staring at him from behind. Later in the night another investigator suggested Jeff should investigate the attic but this time climb inside and take photos with the camera pointed behind him. He agreed and climbed into the attic while taking the photos something yanked the camera out of his hand. They startled Jeff and he led out the loudest scream. The whole team ran to the laundry room to see what happened and they found Jeff white as a ghost terrified saying something snatched the camera out of his hands.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 41:49
You think he screamed like the guy from Florida 13th remake?
Hey, this guy, let's get out of here. Ah Ahhh
Ghost Hostess Mandy 42:01
We're referring to the new Friday the 13th. So yeah, sorry, but that was funny.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 42:09
Guys, I think are ruining this Fables from our Familiar. Mr. Gato. I am so sorry.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 42:17
After the commotion another investigator, Barry, grabbed his video camera and they went back in the attic as a team and with lights. While searching for the camera they found the Canon lens first. Then they found the body of the camera in a crate on the opposite side of the attic. Nothing was damaged. After finding the camera and doing another investigation later that night, Jeff was targeted again. While in the attic, he placed his camera down and he felt something pushed him something that felt like a large bony hand slowly but constantly pushing him down towards the camera. They exited the attic and the whole mood had changed. Instead of going on like a normal investigation everyone was stunned as they They were discussing the events in the nearby kitchen. They heard noises in the attic. It sounded like thumping and loud footsteps walking around above them. Jeff went to stick his head in the article and he saw three flashes of light and a black mass move across the attic.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 43:15
I don't know why people would want to put themselves through this stuff trying to figure out if ghosts exist.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 43:21
And then they keep like going back after things had happened.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 43:24
And just like no, cool. Oh, I'll let the ghost be the ghosts. And I'll be myself like, I don't know why we would want to like mess with ghosts if they were real.
Ghost Hostess Mandy 43:34
Yeah, I don't know.
Master of Scaremonies Rudy 43:35