S1, E6: GhoOoOsts

Updated: Oct 23, 2020

The Ghoul Mates explore the topic of ghosts in depth for the first time in their relationship.

A girl ghost wearing Mickey ears and a boy ghost wearing Ray Bans.

Ghoulster 0:01

Welcome Foolish Ghoulsters to the podcast that keeps the spirit of Halloween alive all year through pop culture and nostalgia. And now, it's love at first fright with The Ghoul Mates.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:17

Hi guys, I'm your Ghost Hostess Mandy

Beetlejuice 0:19

I'm the ghost with the most, babe.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:21

And I'm your Master of Scaremonies Rudy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:27

How is everyone doing? Okay, so I'm pretty excited about this episode because we're gonna be changing things up a bit. But before we dive into ghosts and how we feel about them, I thought we'd try something a little new also and talk about how each of us is keeping the spirit of Halloween alive during these crazy times. What do you think?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 0:51

Sounds like a spooky idea. Why don't you go ahead and tell us how you are you are keeping Halloween alive in this household?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 0:58

Okay. I have So many things to share this weekend. So I finally got to watch The Babysitter on Netflix. And it was amazing. Like, I cannot believe how many emotions I felt with it. It was cute. It was shocking. It was also kind of sad, but I just it was like a really fun movie to watch. And I'm really sad that I didn't watch it up until now. But another thing that happened was I decided to have a small little cheat this weekend and have a pumpkin cookie from this Arizona restaurant called Gadzooks. And it was phenomenal. It was so good that it made me want a pumpkin spice latte even earlier than I usually do, which is usually August. So on Sunday morning, I woke up and made myself a pumpkin spice coffee while you were still asleep.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 1:55

I was probably dreaming about something spooky.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 2:00

What about you?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 2:01

Well, while you were watching The Babysitter, I was working on an illustration for Father's Day. And I was drawing this illustration of Pamela Vorhees for Father's Day, we wanted to give a shout out to all the single mothers out there during, you know, Father's Day just to let them know that they're recognized too. I had a really good dad growing up so and I had a really good mom growing up, but I knew I was a handful. So I understand. You know, kids can be a lot. But as far as keeping Halloween alive, I actually this was a project I started a couple of weeks ago, I started to build the shelves for our apartment. And I and I surprised Amanda by kind of digging through our boxes and boxes of Halloween stuff and brought out the best stuff that we had and then I kind of put it out there for her and I was like hey, help me put this together. And I wanted to surprise you because you're working on your homework. Nobody knows this, but Amanda is working on her master's degree right now. And it's pretty hard work when you have to be at home, you know, dealing with me and the dogs and

Ghost Hostess Mandy 3:15

And still working full-time

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 3:16

Still working full time and dealing with the pandemic and all those things. But I wanted to give you a little surprise by, you know, putting the shelves together and coming up with a plan to make our apartment more spooky. So I think that's what I did to make, you know, Halloween alive in our apartment.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 3:32

That's a really good one. And thank you it actually meant a lot to me because I had just finished my final for my first summer class. And I was having that like, feeling of like wanting to cry because you had just like finished something. But then also feeling like it's only one week of a break before I get started again, and I sat on the couch and I looked up and there was my big Mickey popcorn bucket. So cute, which is actually perfectly themed with this week. He's a Mickey ghost that I got at Disneyland during Halloween time. And so just like kind of seeing that, after all my hard work was like a big way to lift my spirits. And I think this podcast in our soulmates project has really helped me keep sane during the stress of the pandemic and everything. So thank you. I really appreciate that nice little gesture of yours.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 4:27

You're welcome my little pumpkin pie. So what are we we're actually before we get to anything. What do you think of the possibility of Michael Keaton coming back as Batman in the current DC Universe, because right now they were in talks that Michael Keaton might come back and reprise his role as Batman in the new Flash movie. I want to know what you think because I'm like going crazy. This came out like a couple of things today or a couple days ago.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 5:00

I know um, so I know he is your favorite Batman.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 5:05

For sure.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 5:07

I don't know. You kind of mentioned that you thought it would be amazing if they brought back all the Batman's, like George Clooney, Val Kilmer and Affleck, Oh my God, Bat-Ffelck,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 5:19

Give him a little break. I think what the Snyder could come back and the popularity come back I think that he might come back. But then like, where does that leave Robert Pattinson as Batman? Oh, that's that's the other thing that we can talk about later. But right now we're talking about Michael Keaton, The Batman.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 5:36

Well, I know you mentioned it would be cool. If they brought all of them back. I think it would be a very expensive movie to make. So it's

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 5:43

For sure. Yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 5:45

So to be completely honest, I'm not well versed in that version of Batman. The way you are. I think I'm more well versed with George Clooney and Christian Bale Batman. .

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 5:58

Right, right.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 5:59

But I think it would be really cool to actually on that note. What I really like about it is like it's a revamp part two of Michael Keaton's career because I think he's also working on Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:14


Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:15

Or should I say Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:17

Yes. Let's not do the third one

Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:19

because it's two. No

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:20

It's two?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 6:21

No I'm saying cuz it's Beetlejuice the sequel, so there is only two of them.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 6:24

Ah, yes. Well, I don't know about you, but I'm pretty excited to hopefully see Michael Keaton come back to reprise his role. I think the last time he was Batman was in Batman Returns, which was an awesome movie, but I know they had some issues with like, trying to make profit because they wanted to get kids more involved to like buy toys and stuff, but it was a dark movie. And, and, you know, a lot of Warner Brothers kind of had a problem with like, getting kids to like Batman, but everybody loves Batman, even kids. I don't really know why. They went the direction they went and had like the Joel Schumacher versions of the movie, you know, rest in peace Joel Schumacher, he passed away recently. But you know, it's just gonna be so cool. Like, I, I know, it's supposed to come. It's supposed to be The Flash Point comic book that they're trying to make for The Flash. And, you know, he travels to different dimensions and he goes to different Earths and encounters different versions of the superhero. So it's gonna be crazy. It'll open the door to like fixing a lot of things that DC has kind of messed up. So I don't know. We'll see. I'm super excited.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 7:38

I'm just more excited to be bringing back like, I guess a taste of the 90's. It is the 90's, right? Yeah

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 7:46

Yeah. Well, I think it came out in 1989, actually,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 7:50

Eh, we'll call it the 90s. I don't know. I just feel like there's a need for nostalgic things right now. And I think that right help. And also, I just think The Justice League is all over the place. I mean, it's like you said, Now you have the Zack Snyder, release coming out. And so it's just gonna be really interesting how things take a turn now because it's like, are the movies going to be based off of the new Zack Snyder cut? Like, how are they gonna tie all of that in together? Now? I don't know.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 8:26

I don't know. But I think they have a really good opportunity because, you know, Marvel, they were talking, they went into the whole multiverse, but they only traveled into, you know, their own universe. They just like time traveled. But DC has an opportunity to like explore multiverse which, you know, has different versions of those heroes, right?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 8:47

And that could be a way out of it too to just get to get rid of the original Justice League we have now.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 8:56

Capirotada of different characters.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:00

Side note, what is capirotada?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:03

Why don't you tell our audience what capirotada is?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:06

Okay, so in case anyone has not caught on we are Mexican. Mexican Americans

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:13

Mexican American. Latinx.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:15


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:16

I learned that this week.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:18

On a non Halloween show.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:20


Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:21

Mister Iglesies.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:22

There you go.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:23

So capirotada is a Mexican pastry or dessert, I guess.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:29


Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:29

Usually around Easter time, and it's kind of like a hodgepodge of desserts with bread pudding. What are they called? sprinkles,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:40

Sprinkles, raisins, peanuts, pecans. A bunch of stuff just

Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:44

Like a hodgepodge of things. And when I was growing up, my mom always used to say like, if your outfit mismatched or viewer just like a hot mess, she'd be like, oh, it pareces capirotada.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 9:56

Anything that's thrown together.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 9:57

Yeah. So thanks. kinda just was one of those words that caught on to my language. And I said it around Rudy wanted. He was like, What are you talking about? And I explained it and it's just something we've always said. So on to Justice League Capirotada.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:12

Yeah, the DC Universe right now is kind of a capirotada of a bunch of stuff. Like the standalone movies are really good, or really popular. But then like, the assembled pieces are not.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:26

Yeah, but for sure.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:28

We'll see. I mean, I think it's gonna be a good thing.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 10:30

And I think part of it too, is because they're just trying so hard to make it like Marvel and yeah, we need to make it their own thing.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 10:38

Yeah. Okay, because if you think about it, um, Superman well Superman was like the first DC movie, but I think the most popular one was Batman. That was the first one that came out that everybody would kind of remembered. And it was dark. You know, it was a Tim Burton movie. It was dark, and it's super popular. People still talk about and watch it today. I think they just need to keep doing that Christopher Nolan's Batman was extremely popular. And that one was also dark.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:06


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:06

I think they should have just kept on doing the whole dark thing and just not worried about like, what all the Marvel haters were saying and all the critics per se, just gonna, like do your own thing cares

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:16

For sure. Maybe they should just bring Tim Burton back in.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:19

It would be that'd be crazy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:16

Alright, so moving on.

The real topic of today is,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:16

Is what?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:21

Ghosts. Alright, so

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:36

how are we gonna kick this off?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:38

I have a plan.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:39

You have a plan?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:40


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:40

A Ghost plan? Who're you gonna call?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:43

Ghost Mandy! Okay, so I am going to start this off by reading you a credible definition of what a ghost is

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 11:55

Is it from Wikipedia?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 11:56

No. Okay. I don't use Wikipedia. I am using the History channel

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 12:01

The History Channel?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 12:02

Website. Which is history.com,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 12:04


Ghost Hostess Mandy 12:04

So what is a ghost according to history or the History Channel? The concept of a ghost, also known as a specter is based on the ancient idea that a person's spirit exists separately from his or her body, and may continue to exist after that person dies. Because of this idea, many societies began to use funeral rituals as a way of ensuring that the dead person spirit would not return to haunt the living. Did you know that? I didn't know that.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 12:36

I always I always knew about the whole unfinished business thing,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 12:40


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 12:41

you know,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 12:42

That we learn in Casper?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 12:43

That well I didnt learn in Casper, but yeah, I know that. You know, spirits are around air quotes because they have unfinished business and they need to do that before they can leave to the afterlife. I knew about that. I don't know where I learned that but yeah, that's that's what I've heard.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:01

Yeah. And well, for me, what was interesting about that little excerpt was that I didn't know that that was kind of the reason behind funerals, because

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:11

I didn't know that either.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 13:13

Which is pretty interesting. So kind of going off of what you just said, you're not sure where you learned it. What's like, the first thing you can remember as far as, even like having an idea of what a ghost is, or like thinking, ghosts are something to fear, like any kind of concept of when you first discovered that ghosts were a concept.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 13:41

That's kind of hard. You should ask me that a couple of days ago, so I can do some research. I want to say probably stories that were told to me by like my parents, or my grandparents are like uncles and cousins. I think the earliest thing that I could remember was the La Llorana story about the lady that lost her children in a river. And then I think she died or she killed herself. And then she haunted that river. I think that's like the first thing that comes to mind remembering about what ghosts were like the concept of a ghost. And it was, you know, someone passed away. But they're stuck here between here and, and, and the eternal. And they're trying to just find their way back. So, I think that's the earliest recollection I have about what ghosts were.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 14:37

So since you're

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 14:39

either that or going to church and people talking about angels, I've always when I was a kid, I thought they

Ghost Hostess Mandy 14:46

that's an interesting point you bring up because nobody ever talks about angels. When they're talking about ghosts, they talk about the scary side of it, which is a really good point for one of my topics later today, but But what I'm curious about with you, because I guess let's just establish Rudy's not a believer, and I am referring to move forward. But since you're not a believer, do you remember associating ghosts to begin with with being a scary thing? Or no, it was just something you heard?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 15:18

Um, well, I mean, the idea of a ghost is pretty scary because you know, it's there and you can't see it, but it can see you and interact with you, but you can't really interact with it. You know, that's a scary concept. But I mean, the ghost stories, you know, they were meant to scare you.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 15:38

So you did have a scary perception of ghosts?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 15:40

Yeah for sure.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 15:41

Okay. So I'm guessing you've never had a ghostly experience personally?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 15:48

I wouldn't really say a ghostly experience. Um, I think it I think the human mind is very powerful. And, you know, there's people that have mental issues or go through a trauma. And they see things or even like, if you take a hallucinogen, and you're like tripping and you like see things, you know, that's coming through your brain, it's not coming from like, heaven or anything, you know, your brain is manufacturing those images. But there was a couple of times when I was a kid, and that was convinced that they were ghosts. And I was I would have a dream. And then I would wake up, and I would see an image of a person, like in the corner of my room. And then as I got older, I started realizing that was just part of my dream. And I felt like it was because when you're dreaming, you are seeing images that are being projected in your eyes. I forget what the name of what the name of the things called. But I think that happens to a lot of people. I think images get imprinted on their eyeballs when they wake up, and they believe they see a ghost and it happens today. And you just kind of fades away.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:01

So I didn't even plan on talking about this today. But here we are, because that leads us into sleep paralysis,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:10


Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:10

So, I actually didn't know that sleep paralysis was a common or normal thing for people until probably a few weeks ago. For those of you who don't know, sleep paralysis is basically when you wake up too soon, so you're conscious and aware of your surroundings, but you're still in a certain stage of sleep where your dreams are crossing with reality.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 17:39

Okay, yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 17:40

And I only know that it's more normalized now because I've been listening to other podcasts where they've mentioned it and to my two best friends have confirmed that one of them knows multiple people who have it. Another one who had who is very deep into ghost stories and scary stuff in general says that it's a very common thing. So I didn't realize I had sleep paralysis until I started living with you. And it's interesting because my entire life I've been scared at night like trying to go to sleep. I remember when I was younger, I would sleep in my mom's bed with her and I would watch cartoons like all night, and I'd be like, super afraid. And I didn't really know why. And now that I've kind of process things, I think it's because like something probably happened in my sleep. That traumatized me and made me afraid. And so I slept with my mom until I don't even know how old I was. But it was well into like close to middle school. And even then, the transition was very difficult for me, and I eventually got better. And I guess I guess I just grew up and I was like, you're being stupid like, just go to sleep. even going to college, I first sure thought that I was going to be terrified, sleeping in a specific dorm room by myself because I slept. I had roommates my first year and then after that I was in this tiny room that was like probably the oldest dorm that my university had. And it was just creepy. Like, you didn't even want to go to the community bathrooms at night. It was scary. And I was fine through all of that. And then for some reason, even going back home after college, I was fine. But then when I started living with you, I started having these nightmares again. And I can recall the one nightmare I have that I still remember to this day is I was taking a nap in my grandma's house like I used to walk home after school and stay there till my mom got out of work. And I had a dream that I was in a car outside of my sister's high school. mean think I was younger I was, like younger than 10 years old at this point. I was in the car and my mom had said, oh wait here, I'm gonna go look for your sister. And then she left and this creepy guy got in kind of like Freddy Krueger without his scars. And I was trying to get out or scream and he like put the seatbelt on me lock the doors. And he grabbed the keys and I just remember trying to scream so loud, and I couldn't vocalize it in the dream. I couldn't vocalize it in the dream. I couldn't wake myself up even though I felt like I was awake already. Like I really felt like I was there. And that doesn't sound creepy or like a sleep paralysis thing. But I think that that was the first or the oldest thing I can remember being close to it. So that kind of just took up. It always stayed in the back of my mind that I'm always like, I was always afraid that I wouldn't be able to wake myself up from a dream. So fast, fast, fast. To a random night that I was, actually, I remember it clearly me and Rudy went home for like a holiday or something. And both Rudy and my mom woke up in the middle of the night, and we're freaking out, because apparently I was screaming. But nobody woke me up that time. Right?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 21:21


Ghost Hostess Mandy 21:23

So I was having a nightmare. I don't remember what it was anymore. But I woke up and both of them told me that they had heard it, Rudy checked on me first, and he told me like, you were screaming, and I was like, What? And then later when I talked to my mom, she said, Actually, she sent me a text message and she said, Are you okay, I heard you screaming. So that was kind of like the resurfacing of it. And then when we came back home to Arizona, it started happening more and more. And I remember one time you told me Oh, yeah, you were screaming last night, but I didn't want to wake you up and scare you more. And that was when I was like, Wake me up like screaming because I'm trying to vocalize it in the dream to wake me up. And like I'm, I guess I try screaming so loud to that like it vocalizes in real life that it actually completely wakes me up or sustain in that weird mixed stage

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 22:18


Ghost Hostess Mandy 22:19

And so ever since then it's the creepiest thing but, poor Rudy, you'll hear me. He'll hear me, like scream in the middle of the I don't even know how it sounds like what do I do? Do I scream? Do I moan like,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 22:32

Um, you kind of, like half moan, have scream. I already know how it goes. And as soon as I hear you, sometimes you'll talk you'll say stuff. And, but you sound very distressed when you talk. And that's when I know to like, like, slowly wake you up.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 22:53

What does it sound like?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 22:55

I don't know. It's it's hard to remember only because I'm also asleep.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 22:59


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:00

So I'm waking up. I'm like, What the hell's going on here? And then like, I try to calm you down and you wake up and you say, Did I did I scream? It's like, Oh, no, you just kind of yelled a little bit and then I just pass out after that. But I don't know maybe next time I'll record it and we'll share with our audience.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 23:16

Before waking me up? That's so evil. So we eventually learned that I scream to wake myself up and then Rudy wakes me up. And so usually this is the creepy thing that I actually found out from my best friend Oscar, the one who's into creepy things. He told me that Freddy Krueger was actually based off of sleep paralysis, because they're called shadow people.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 23:43


Ghost Hostess Mandy 23:44

And so I don't think I've ever gone into detail with you about the things that I see. But sometimes it's like I see that there's like a shadow or a man or someone in the room staring at me. And I know the worst so far it's been the figure, I think it's a figure. I don't see a man or anything. I just see that there's something alive there. And the figure got closer to me, like leaned in and looked at me. Oh my god.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:18

That's creepy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:19

And that was one of the ones that I screamed and you woke me up and I still had not processed how sleep paralysis works. I actually recently put all the pieces together. Because the time Oh, sorry, I'm getting it all. It's all coming together at that time. Bruce, our dog was the one who woke me up.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 24:41

Okay. Yeah.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 24:42

He caught it before I even screamed. Because usually like it takes a while for me to vocalize it to where you can wake me up. Bruce, our new dog who we've had for a few months, he felt my energy I guess and he came up and he started waking me up. Before I even had to scream. So recently, about two weeks ago, Rudy came to the living room, I think because it was too hot or something. Oh, Bruce was really hyper that night. I remember. Yeah. So you brought him to the living room to go to sleep instead of him being in there keeping me awake. So we close the bedroom door because I can't sleep with the door open because issues.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 25:23

Yes, which makes it an oven inside there.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 25:28

And so it happened again. But that time I was dreaming that we were in the apartment, and I was hearing the door open. And in the dream, I was telling Rudy, someone's coming into the apartment and I could hear the apartment door opening and I could hear noises someone was clearly in the apartment. And he wouldn't listen to me that someone was in the apartment. And so I was trying to scream and it wasn't vocalizing. No, it did vocalize because you heard it right. Yeah, I heard Oh, it turns out that Rudy was actually walking Bruce taking So the noises I were hearing were real. They were real noises but I was still in my dreaming stage. I thought you were next to me and we were asleep and there was a threat outside. And so I guess you heard me and then Bruce was crying at the door, you open the door and you finally woke me up and everything was fine. But that's just me. That scared me even more because I find it was the first time I put pieces together like those were real noises. So then in my head, I'm like, What if those shadows are real too?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 26:33

That was crazy, because I remember coming inside and hearing you and I was like, snap, I need to get to the room. But you know, I had to take off my shoes. And then I had to wash my hands because the virus and I was just trying to get into the room as fast as possible. But yeah, that was crazy. I do remember that?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 26:52

But what's even scarier is like, what if it wasn't the dream that was making me scream and you were all washing your hands?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 26:58

I know, right?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:01

So yeah, it just been interesting figuring out how sleep paralysis works. And so after that I told Rudy I don't care how hyper Bruce's you're never taking him out of this bedroom if you're not sleeping with me because I need him here to wake me up

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 27:14

I hear you. But we need to explore the whole. We can't have the door open thing, because it's so hot in the in the bedroom.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:23

I know but creepy things, Boo.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 27:26

They're gonna be here either way. Do you think a door is gonna stop a ghost?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:31


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 27:32

It's gonna go through it!

Ghost Hostess Mandy 27:35

I know. But I don't know. It's an interesting concept because like, I recently had this conversation with my mom because she sleeps with her door open, right? And I told her like, isn't it scarier? And we're talking in terms of like, realistic like a burglar or someone coming in with malintention or whatever. And I'm like, isn't it scarier to have the door open and then she's like, No, you It's funny retelling the story cuz she sounds like very, like wise and tough at the same time.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:06


Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:06

But she's like, no, Amanda, if the doors open and I'm in the bed, I could still see what's going on in the hallway. She like points.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:15


Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:16

She says it. And I'm like, yeah, but they could see you too.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:21

That's true.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:22

So I don't know, to me, it's just like the door gives me that extra moment of planning,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 28:31


Ghost Hostess Mandy 28:31

figuring out what to do. And I don't know, I guess I've never liked sleeping in big spaces or big rooms. Like I like sleeping in small spots. It's like the dogs. The dogs are tough, but they like being in small spaces. Um, so I don't know it's just hard like we have a bedroom or what is it called a master bath, a bathroom right in our bedroom. And even that door has to be closed because it's like. What if someone's in the shower? Rudy's rolling his eyes.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 29:07

because it's just so hot and I don't like confined spaces, like our living room, our living room right now, I want this to be the size of our master bedroom when we have a house because I do not like small spaces because it doesn't give you the ability to maneuver. And you can't put distance between you and an assailant. If you're close, you're gonna have to like fight that person and it might be hard to fight that person

Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:36

but real people don't scare me. I know that sounds dumb.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 29:40

sounds like a personal issue. It's driving us apart because sometimes I have to sleep on the couch because it's much colder.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 29:49

I don't know I just I wish I don't want this because like it could cause a heart attack or something but like, I wish you would know what it feels like to be terrified of a ghost or like a demon or something. Just so you could like, have empathy and understand it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 30:09

I did have a really scary dream about Freddy Krueger. When I was younger, and it was a I was being chased by a bunch of velociraptor. But Freddy Krueger multiplied himself and he was riding all of them and they were running after me.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 30:29

That's a cool dream, though.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 30:30

I know.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 30:31

He wasn't like creepy over your bed.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 30:32

It was still scary.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 30:36

Yeah, I don't know. It's just it's hard because. And it's funny because I listened to another podcast called Drinking and Screaming and they were talking about paranormal activity and how it's so messed up that the husband like, doesn't believe her. And like I was that's always been, that was always my biggest fear. Like even watching Insidious like of course, the husband who didn't believe her was the causing all the issues at the end. But I'm just like, I'm gonna be cursed with a husband. Who doesn't believe me when there's a damn ghost in the brand new house we buy. You're gonna say, oh, there has to be a reason why you heard that noise. A logical reason. Yeah, cuz there's a ghost.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 31:20

I remember I worked with this guy. At my first job. It was at a TV station and he had a paranormal, like, paranormal hunting or let me backtrack. He had a ghost hunting team.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 31:35


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 31:36

And I was telling him that this friend of mine she had, she was convinced that she had ghosts in her house. And I told him the whole story and he's like, Hey, can we go like investigate? And I asked her, she's like, yeah, if they can come and you know, do whatever they want. I was like, Okay, cool. So we were all together. And one of I think like one of them had like a night vision camera. Some of them had like recording too. vices and like the EMP or whatever readers that make noise, that signifies there's ghosts or whatever. And they shot a bunch of footage in the dark, which doesn't make any sense to me. And they captured something they captured like a light and they're like, Oh, that's like a ghost orb. And I was like, okay, like, I don't think that's a ghost orb. I think that's me in another room because I had a flashlight. He's like, No, I'm telling you to go sorbed I'm an I'm an expert. I'm like, okay, and I kept on telling him like, dude, I was in the next room like, that's me. I'm telling you. He's like, no, it's a ghost like I think that she needs to get a priest and you know try to help the demon or not demon but ghost, you know, completed to work and go away as whatever. So I got both. I got all the tapes that were recorded that day, and I synced all of them up, and I put them up in like a quad so you can see all men real time. And I had one of the cameras at that time with the flashlight. And you can see me coming in. And he recorded me. I was like I told you there's no frickin ghosts there. So I don't know, there's just like no scientific way to prove that there are ghosts like how do you go about? Like, capturing ghosts? Like there's no actual science behind it? Like the people are like, Oh, I'm gonna just set up this night vision camera or camera and if something is captured on camera, then it must be a ghost. Like, that's not scientific. Like that doesn't make any sense at all. What do you think? Because there's always like these ghost shows.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 33:41

We should watch one together.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 33:43

I've seen plenty of ghost shows where they're like, oh, here's some grainy footage. And because something grainy passes by, it seems like there's a ghost like that doesn't make any sense at all. Like, I want someone to like actually think about it. How can we capture a ghost like we have to, you have to first figure out what the chemical or biological or energy signature ghost gives off if they even exist and try to capture that. Like, there's no science behind it. They're just people taking pictures and saying, hey, there's this anomaly in this picture. It's a ghost. That doesn't make any sense.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:19

Okay, so in college, when we were learning photography and about long exposures, you know, like, every new photographer takes photos with like, the whole long exposure and then drawing with light, right? Okay. So we were in the newsroom, and my friend was drawing little devil horns on me,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:41


Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:42

And at the end, there was a second silhouette, a light and it was just me and her in the room.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:49

A second silhouette of light?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:51


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 34:53

I would have to see the picture. But I mean, that can be caused by anything like anything reflective in there could throw light into the lens.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 34:59

Perfectly like a person behind me.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:02

A person behind you?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:03

Yeah, like it looked like there was a person standing right next to me where she drew the horns.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:08

Hmm. It could have been her because you're taking a long exposure. You know, the light could have hit her at some point long enough for the film to capture her been doing that. That's why all these ghosts things that happen on video is BS because that's all I do is, you know, look at cameras all day when I'm on the can and looking at like different things that cameras can do. So it's BS

Ghost Hostess Mandy 35:40

Touché, I'm gonna call you Rudy-buster. Your name forget Rudabega, you're Rudy-buster.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 35:48

What Ghost Hunters should do is contact companies like the RED camera or RE and be like, Hey, we want to photo try to photograph things that can't be photographed with the naked eye, like different because we can't, there is a lot of stuff that's come that comes into our eyes that our eyes can't see, there's a lot of we can see a certain amount of light spectrum. But other camera sensors can capture that light. That's what infrared does, like we can see it with our eyeballs, but that sensor can catch like the infrared that's coming off of things. So what they should do is go to our camera companies like hey, can you help us develop a camera that could capture ghosts? If they exist? That's what I would do. They're just relying on like, consumer technology that, you know, is is made for capturing like, birthday party images and stuff. It's not professional equipment. So that's what i would do.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 36:51

Well, maybe we should watch a new ghost hunting show to see maybe they are using updated equipment now.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 36:59

That's true. I don't know. mean the last time I saw a ghost, ghost that ghost hunting show wass maybe like five years ago. But maybe that technology has changed if there is any. I think that I think, Ghostbusters, the movie is more real than any of the stuff I've seen on ghost shows.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 37:19

Okay, but you laugh but why don't you share what you told me once about how you think ghosts quotation marks could actually be another dimension. That's not an actually like scary concept.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 37:37

Well, I think I think that this is just my idea,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 37:41

Which goes perfectly with opening on The Flash by the way, that's true. You can now explain your Batman here.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 37:48

So, quick disclaimer, I'm not a scientist. I'm not a physicist. You know, I did terrible if I was a C student in college. So take this with a grain of salt. Okay. I think that if quote unquote ghosts existed or exist, the I think the only way is through a parallel universe. I think what people believe if I think what people see that our ghosts are one of two things, I think it's like a mental thing. And they are alone. And, you know, their mind makes these things up even for like a split second, you could see something that your mind created. Or, you know, there are theories and ideas that have that are they're trying to prove that, you know, other not dimensions, but worlds exist. Like there's, I think it's called the multiverse theory. Or if, like, every possible version of yourself exists in this world. So let's say I woke up and I go to Chipotle. I'm like, am I gonna eat a burrito or have a bowl? There is a world where both things happen, that I had a burrito animal and maybe I decided to go to McDonald's instead. So all these things kind of branch out. But I think what it is what ghosts are, is those two worlds actually colliding with each other. And you're seeing, you know, the other world making contact with our world. And you can see that through some kind of visual visual spectrum that kind of comes out that like messes with the light that's in our

Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:35

Like, when glitch happened in Pixels

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:37

Kind of yeah

Ghost Hostess Mandy 39:38

Still kind of creepy.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 39:40

It is creepy. But I mean, it's not like it's not like a religious thing, or like a spooky thing. I just think that, you know, it might even have to do with time too maybe some energy from a different point in time is stuck in that same spot and you're seeing like, more like a movie. That's happening and playing over and over in that one spot and it's just energy that's happening. You know, I think that's what it is if there is a ghost, but I don't think that ghosts exist, period. I think it's a mental thing. I think we're always scared of the unknown. And we're always kind of making things up in the back in my head.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 40:19

That is true too. And another thing I want to say too is so it's I think some people might as you get to know me say. How can you be so into like Halloween and call herself like a spooky girl but then she doesn't even really like actually scary things like I won't touch paranormal movies about ghosts. Like I can do any kind of gore. Serial killers,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 40:44


Ghost Hostess Mandy 40:45

Murder like anything, but if it's something paranormal or supernatural, I'm not gonna touch it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 40:51


Ghost Hostess Mandy 40:51

and part of it is because like I've been there, done that it's not fun like I do not like being terrified and I kind of feel like, the more you open the door to it, like even this episode, I'm already like I shouldn't have because the more you talk about things or open the door to them, I feel like the more prone you are to like scarier things happening to you.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 41:17

Yeah, I can see that. I think one thing and, you know, I, I'm also afraid of those things, too. I'm also afraid of superstitious things too. That's just kind of how we're built as humans. You know, we've always been told stories. One thing that I won't I won't ever play because it's part of my superstition is the Ouija Board. Because I grew up being told that anybody plays that gives themselves bad luck and they'll die playing it, or after the after, after playing

Ghost Hostess Mandy 41:50


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 41:51

So, you know, I'm just gonna take my not taking any chances and not playing with the Ouija Board.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 41:58

You believe but you're also not gonna touch it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 42:01

So I mean, we all have our things. I mean, if you and I played together, maybe that's something that we can do. And we can face that fear together. But I mean, I'm a human being too. I'm afraid of things that I don't know or understand. I don't understand everything. I'm not an all knowing being. But I don't know. There's just things that I don't think that are real.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 42:23

Yeah, I don't know. I think definitely that has always stuck with me. Like the more you di-, dwelve or what's the word?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 42:32


Ghost Hostess Mandy 42:32

Delve? Yeah, yeah that. The more you delve into things, the more you're like opening the door to it.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 42:40


Ghost Hostess Mandy 42:40

And my friend again, Oscar. Oscar, you're a hot topic today. Um it was saying that maybe that he understands now after he learned about my sleep paralysis, he's like, well, now I understand why you don't like being scared or watching ghost stories because like, you could randomly have sleep paralysis at any time. That's scary to begin with, so it makes sense and for him he's never had actual scary experience. So he just finds it fascinating, I guess. And so, for me, it's just I've gone through phases in my life where I've been, like, truly creeped out, can't sleep. And I just don't want to go there again. So but just because I don't like actually creepy things doesn't mean that I don't love like a good horror movie,

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 43:29


Ghost Hostess Mandy 43:30

With Jason, or, I don't know anything really. I love the idea of Halloween and, like, I can do haunted houses to like I am a pro at those too.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 43:42

I can't do haunted houses. They're just, they're just a live version of jumpscares and I don't like jumpscares. So we're from Texas, and I wanted to know if you have any El Paso centric ghost stories?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 43:58


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:00

Or do you remember

Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:01

Who else the ghost next to me?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:04

Or do you remember any ghost stories that were told to you in El Paso

Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:08

In El Paso.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:09

Or even in Texas?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:11

Um, well, you always hear about the girl at El Paso High School.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:17

I kinda remember that one. But I can you kind of refresh my memory on that one.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:22

I mean, I'm not like very refreshed on it either. But I think cheerleader or a girl at El Paso High School died.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:32

I think she committed suicide, right?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:33

Yes, I think so.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:35


Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:35

And I think there's been stories about how she like haunts the school or you could see her at certain times. Yeah, but apparently that story is like so popular that it even made it onto the really popular podcasts the Two Girls One Ghost.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 44:48

Oh, wow.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 44:48

So I actually should go back and listen to it. So it's that one, Rudy's like touching my feet right now with his feet and I'm like, are you secretly scared right now?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 45:01

I'm not scared. I thought it was Lolo actually.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 45:05

Our little monster. Um so yeah, I'm not very well versed on El Paso ghost stories to be honest

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 45:13

I remember when I was at UTEP I did a video project with a couple of friends and I don't know what it was about it was just like us hanging out I forgot what it was about but we went to El Paso High to go see the ghost.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 45:29

Oh, no.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 45:30

and just like shot through the windows and stuff we didn't capture anything but it was pretty creepy. You know I, and at that time I probably did believe in ghosts or something like that but it was pretty creepy.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 45:43

Yeah, I know you also mentioned like, what what is it Rim Rd?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 45:49

Yeah, the story of Rim Rd from what I remember was that there was and I'm pretty sure there's a story like this in every city.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 45:57

City cuz I heard one in San Antonio also.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 46:00

So there was a school bus full of kids that. So I think Rim Rd is on mountains right in the Franklin Mountains. And the story goes, there was a school bus full of kids that went off the road on Rim Rd and killed everybody on the bus. And the kids haunt the area where the bus went off the cliff. So the story is that you would you would go there like at midnight or whatever, and put baby powder on the windows. And then you would put your car in neutral. And you would see little handprints start to show up on the windshield and they start to push your car, like down the hill on Rim Rd. Like that was like the ghost story.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 46:52

Did you ever try it?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 46:53

I think we did one time. That was me and some of my fraternity brothers. We went out there I think one time And nothing happened it was just really dark and cold.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 47:06

I'm creeped out just listening to it though cuz like our apartments all quiet

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 47:10

I know right? I've also been to so also my brother one time. So when I first started doing video, I bought a little DV camera that had night vision on it. And him and I were like really into like making little videos and stuff. And he took my video camera went out one time, and he went like far into like the boonies out of the El Paso County.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 47:40

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 47:41

And there was this area, I think it was called Magic's Landing. It doesn't exist anymore. It used to be a theme park and it was the original. What's that theme park?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 47:53

Western Playland?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 47:54

The original Western Playland before Western Playland existed and I think there was like a group of witches or something, they got you know, killed out there and they haunt that area and there's supposed to be these markers or gravestones so my brother and his friends they went to go look for it and they found like these markers, but they didn't have any inscriptions on them and they were just kind of shooting video and we kind of reviewed the video and we had captured something it was just like this weird orb thing and we kind of kept on trying to figure out what it was but then I was able to you know bring up the brightness really bright and ended up being one of his friends but for the longest time my brother thought that he caught a ghost on video I wanted to share it with the world is like a ghost dude it's something else probably. But it was pretty

Ghost Hostess Mandy 47:54

Rudy Buster!

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 48:48

The but it was creepy. Maybe it's like I don't need ghosts in my life. I'm already stressed out enough.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 48:54

So, always find a way to disprove it?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 48:56

I don't need that in my life. We already have have a killer virus out there. And I don't need that in my life right now.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 49:05


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 49:05

So yeah, I think maybe that's maybe that's part of it. But yeah, I mean, I don't know, maybe I'll conduct my own experiment to see if I can capture something spooky.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 49:16


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 49:17

Why not?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 49:18


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 49:19

You don't want to open that door.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 49:20

Nope. It's staying closed.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 49:22

Okay. I'll continue to not believe and you can continue to believe. If you're okay with that.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 49:29

If you don't believe then they can't come.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 49:31


Ghost Hostess Mandy 49:33

But I do want to share a more positive story. Got to end on a good ghost story.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 49:41


Ghost Hostess Mandy 49:42

Not a creepy one.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 49:43

All right.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 49:45

And I'm really glad that you brought this up at the beginning of the episode as far as angels go.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 49:50

Uh huh.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 49:51

So I don't even think I've ever told you this because I know you think how silly The topic is. But when my grandma passed away, it was the hardest thing I've gotten through probably or hardest thing I went through as a young adult, I think. And we haven't touched on this subject yet, but I am a singer. Singing has always been my way to vent and get through things. But that was I mean, it's happened several times throughout my life now, including being in love with you. But that was the first phase I went through where I couldn't bear singing. I was scared that I would completely break down and lose it if I sang.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 50:34


Ghost Hostess Mandy 50:34

But there was a song by Avril Levigne, don't roll your eyes. That she wrote about losing her grandfather, and it was called Slipped Away. And so I don't even remember how much time went by. Maybe it was two days or two weeks, I don't even remember. But I finally found the courage in myself to sing. And that was the song I chose. I was like, it doesn't matter if I cry, or what happens, I'm gonna do it. And so I sang and cried at the same time. And when I was finished, I felt something touched my shoulder like tell me, it's okay. And like the timing of it was just like really weird. And to this day, like I still firmly believe it was my grandma. So what do you say to that?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 51:31

You know, I've had I had I had something like that happened to me. When I was a kid. I was going through this. I think he was a Catholic school. And I was maybe, I don't know how old is your, your nephew?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 51:53


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 51:55

I think it was like maybe six or seven and where we lived, it was really it was a good. It was a let me put it in perspective. Do you remember, you know where the police station is where you're where you live?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 52:09

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 52:10

And where I my where I used to live.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 52:13


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 52:13

So it was kind of that far. No, it was at that church, the Eastwood Church.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 52:23

I have no idea.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 52:25

The church was far where I was going to school.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 52:27

Mm hmm.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 52:28

And I remember vividly my mom saying, you know, you're old enough, you can just walk home. And we were released and we were supposed to stay in the front of the church and wait for parents, but I told my teacher oh, no, it's close by my house. My mom said I could start walking. So my teacher let me walk. That was the wrong thing to do. Because it was far away and my parents never said that. But as a kid, I thought they said I could walk home. And I walked home and I was able to make it because I remembered how to get there, which was insane. And there was like, all these cops and stuff my grandparents were there and like they were just looking for me everywhere. Yes.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 53:14

Oh my gosh

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 53:15

I can't, you can ask my mom about this. My mom I walk in, and there's like cops in there and my grandparents are in there and my mom is freaking out, like, Hey, what's going on? around like, Oh, my God, and they start freaking out or hugging me and my mom makes me a pb&j and everybody's like, relieved I'm there. But I remember when I was a kid, that there was somebody kind of watching over me or that's what I believed when I was a kid, that somebody was there walking with me kind of showing me the way to the house. And I'd always tell that to people that I think there was an angel watching over me helping me get home.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 53:55


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 53:56

But I mean as you get older, you start to not but you start to not believe, but I've had a, you know, I have had that kind of thing happened to me. I always remember that story. And I always tell people like I remember feeling that somebody was watching over me and helping me get home.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 54:13

That's interesting. I'd say it's just crazy that you didn't have anyone in mind that was helping you. But that's another thing too. Like now I'm gonna sound cuckoo but like, you never know, like, what if it was your great grandparents or something? Like I know I see the love my mom has for my niece and nephew. And like, I don't doubt in my mind that if she could later in the future, I don't even want to think about that. But like, if there's a way for her to help them like that love is still there.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 54:46

Right. Maybe?

Ghost Hostess Mandy 54:47

Like their kids. Yeah, you know, it's just a very crazy concept. I really but what I wanted to say was I thought it was really fitting that one of the first things you brought up was angels, because I don't think people never hear the word ghosts and say like oh ghosts are good or anything like you've never heard anyone talk about ghosts and it's about angel.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 55:08


Ghost Hostess Mandy 55:09

And so I thought that that was really fitting because that was the one thing I wanted to touch on today was the story with my grandma because I got emotional telling it because I've never told you about it before. And I think you know more than anyone how I get when I can't sing.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 55:25

Right, right.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 55:26

But um, I thought it was important to say that like, being spooky and loving scary, not scary, but loving the spirit for lack of better words of Halloween and ghoulish things doesn't mean that it has to necessarily be a bad or scary thing.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 55:49

Right. That's kinda what um Dia De Los Muertos is muertro is,

Ghost Hostess Mandy 55:55


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 55:55


Ghost Hostess Mandy 55:56


Master of Scaremonies Rudy 55:57

I'm a coconut, brown on the outside white in the inside

Ghost Hostess Mandy 56:02

But yes, that's a really good point. It's about celebrating your loved ones and keeping their spirit alive.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 56:09


Ghost Hostess Mandy 56:10

So, which is actually one of my favorite holidays too. We need to do an episode about that.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 56:15


Ghost Hostess Mandy 56:16

But I just wanted to end on that note is to say that, thankfully, I don't have a negative experience with a ghost or anything. But the one experience I do have has always stayed with me and I will say that I did not get scared. It was a very like, holy crap did that just happen? But it was also very like, I got to like, hug my grandma one last time.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 56:41

That's awesome. That's beautiful.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 56:43

Remember, not all ghosts are bad. And some of them are angels.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 56:46

You know I have a theory I think. I think ghosts are the ones that are scary. I bet you're they're hangry because they can't get food because they're ghosts and they're like knocking stuff over and trying to get somebody's attention. Like dude bring me a whopper or something cuz I'm starving out here. I bet you that's what it is because I can't leave that vicinity that they're haunting.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 57:07

Maybe. I love I always have to like make things funny you couldn't just end it. Sorry angels that touch your heart. That's all Rudy deflecting guys.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 57:22

It is a defense mechanism.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 57:24

That's what I live with. But I don't know. I think that that was an interesting conversation. It was. We bnoth learned things about each other, which was very insightful. I'm on a mission to figure out who helped you get home that night.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 57:41

I know right? I'm always gonna remember that pb&j. I think that's why I love BB and J's.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 57:47

BB and J's?

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 57:47

BB and Jays? PB and J's.

Ghost Hostess Mandy 57:50

Yeah, we're gonna have to talk about that more later in private.

Master of Scaremonies Rudy 57:53